Guantanamo Bay, Denver
by Big Dog on Aug 18, 2008 at 06:05 Political
It appears as if the city of Denver has its own formerly secret prison. The city converted a warehouse into a jail to process and house those who get arrested during the Democratic National Convention. There is no doubt the jail was built for the DNC and not because Denver needed a new jail.
Interestingly, the jail was a secret. No one was supposed to know about it and probably would not have until the arrests started but someone found out and exposed it. Civil rights groups are up in arms and claim that this has the potential to lead to abuse of people’s civil rights. I agree that a secret prison would have that potential but since it is no longer a secret it is no different than any other jail.
But let us explore the whole secret jail issue. The Democrats knew about it and it was built especially for their convention. They know that a huge number of protest groups are going to show up and they want them arrested and off the streets quickly so as to avoid coverage of anything that might hurt their chances of winning.
So let’s get this straight. The same Democratic party that howls about Guantanamo Bay and secret CIA prisons in other countries knew about a secret prison right here in America built for their convenience. Some might call that a bit hypocritical. Others, like me, might ask why it is that the Democrats oppose prisons (secret or not) that house terrorists and other enemies of our country but are in favor of a secret prison to house people who show opposition to the Democrats?
I wonder why the liberals think that Bush is Hitler and Gitmo should be closed but that they should have secret prisons to lock up Americans who disagree with them. Such hypocrisy. What do you expect from a group that screams global warming and vows to have a green convention but complains that there are not enough limousines in Denver to cart them around. I know Denver has buses.
Oh yeah, all that stuff is for the rest of the country to follow. Not the do as I say, not as I do Democrats…
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9NEWS.com
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So it was built for the convention by the city of Denver. Where is the evidence that the Democrats were involved in this or even knew about it before it was made public?
Well if they were working closely enough with the City of Denver to be using their fuel tanks I’m willing to bet someone was aware of it.
From the article:
They did not build it FOR the city they built it FOR the DNC. This is evidence that they knew about it.
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There is no evidence yet. “DNC” in the article is short for Democratic National Convention, not the party in general. It could still come up that the Democrats knew about it of course, but I’ve yet to find even a single suggestion that they were involved, so once again you’re reaching conclusions with no factual basis.
I don’t believe I said they were involved, only that they knew about it. From the post:
Notice that nowhere did I say they were involved, only that they knew.
Just like they knew they were getting gasoline from the city thereby bypassing the gas tax, you know what they expect the rest of us to pay.
Fine, be picky and avoid the question. I’m still looking for any evidence that says the Democrats knew about the jail before this made headlines. We both know you have no proof to make your claim.
So what you are saying is that the DNC is paying for all the increased security measures (with money tacked on to a war appropriations bill) and they do not know how it is being spent.
Is that what you are saying? They are spending the money but do not know what it is going to.
Just clear that up for me.
I love it when you make statements with no factual basis and then try to weasel out of them with even more non-factual statements. You’re just flat out making stuff up as you go, aren’t you?
The DNC is not paying for the increased security, and is also not tracking that spending. The federal money amendment you’re talking about that was tacked on to the bill was given to the Department of Homeland Security and is audited by the DHS, not the Democrats.
So that’s two things you’ve just pulled out of your rear to bash Democrats. One, that the Democrats knew about the “secret jail” and two that the DNC is paying for the security and tracking that spending. Unless you have some kind of real evidence, I say false and false.
Call it what you want. I expect no less. Even when presented with absolute evidence against one of your precious Dems you refute it as part of the VRWC or point to some weak counter evidence.
Yes, the Dems are as pure as the driven snow and they know nothing.
The money was allocated to each convention. They are SPENDING it. The DHS is auditing the spending. There is a difference between spending money and auditing the expenses.
The Dems do not want all the protests. They want the country to think that everyone is in love with them and they are working with police and local officials to ensure that people’s first amendment rights are violated.
Absolute evidence? Are you kidding me? I ask for evidence and you just attack me and give more opinion with no basis. Please be so kind as to plainly outline this absolute evidence you’re talking about because I’m apparently too liberal to understand you.
I apologize, I was not referring to this episode because it is my opinion based upon the statement in the story and the fact that the Democratic mayor has a DNC security liaison with him to discuss such measures.
I was talking about past debates where you are confronted with absolute evidence and balk at it. That is my response to your claim I make statements with no factual basis (actually an article stating it was built FOR the DNC is a factual basis). It does not matter how many facts you are presented with you refuse to ever acknowledge that with which you disagree.
I see now. So anyway, I still leave room for the fact that they could be involved. For now I stand by the truth that is no evidence or suggestion in the article that the Democrats wanted this built or even knew it had been built before now and nothing about the federal grant that makes the Democrats responsible for the actions of the Denver County police in how the money is spent. The article said it was built for the DNC which in the context meant convention as a thing and doesn’t imply that the Democrats as persons called for it.
My thoughts in general about the jail are that the ACLU and other groups are blowing this out of proportion. It’s nothing new for people to be rounded up in mass at both conventions and has happened for the past few. I find it hard to believe they’d intentionally keep the public in the dark when it would be pretty clear what was going on and where the folks went when 100’s of people are placed in a warehouse for hours or days on end. Comparing a “secret” jail in Denver to GITMO trivializes the problem with the prison in Cuba in my opinion.
What is your opinion on Guantanamo Adam? You think terrorists and enemy combatants (not POWs) deserve due process under the US Constitution?
Dogit,
“I wonder why the liberals think that Bush is Hitler and Gitmo should be closed but that they should have secret prisons to lock up Americans who disagree with them.”
Will the protesters in Denver be waterboarded? I must ask. And what is your opinion of the handling of the protests of the 2000 (R)epuke National Convention in Philadelphia? I’m curious.
PEACE
Adam,
Choose your words carefully. REASONless has trouble comprehending anything beyond the elementary level. You ain’t exactly dealing with an atom splitter here.
PEACE
I have no problem with them arresting any protester who breaks the law. If they are peacefully protesting they have that right. The issue is that the prison was SECRET. The same people who call Bush secretive have a secret prison. I think the idea of having it is great. The idea of being secret is not.
As far as waterboarding, US soldiers who go through SERE training get waterboarded. If our Congress allows (they authorize the training) this then it is OK for anyone else.
However, you don’t need to waterboard a liberal protester to torture him. Just make him use soap and water…
Like i said, they oppose secret and this was secret. The liaison had to know. I do not think they asked for it, just that they knew about it.
As far as Gitmo goes, they should have declared those people POWs and they could have kept them until the war was over and they would not be allowed to use our courts. The SCOTUS could not screw up and give them rights that they are not entitled to.
I use soap and water. And cologne that drives all your puppies crazy. You probably wear Drakkar Noir or some other toilet water. Or you smell of talcum powder, like any self respecting (r)epuke genitalman would.
The war on terr’r is gonna last forever. Dick the lesbian breeder Cheney told us this. Should we keep these POWs until the end of time?
How many of the neighborhood kids are locked up in your secret prison, psycho?
PEACE
You keep POWs until the end of the war. If it lasts forever they will die off. If they don’t want that to happen they can stop fighting.
I have no one in a secret prison because I have no prison, secret or otherwise. You see, I take no prisoners. That way you don’t have to worry about bleeding heart jackasses crying about how they are treated. Kill them and there are no worries.
Notice since the SCOTUS ruling there are more killed in action and fewer taken in custody? Ever wonder why that is?
Oh brother. You’re such a tough guy, Dog.
PEACE
Adam and Bunny are you guys on crack?
Victor,
I can’t speak for Adam but I do not smoke crack. Do you?
PEACE
Thank you.
My philosophy is shoot to kill and there is only one version of the events the police have to listen to.
I do not use any type of illegal drug. It is not something I have ever had a desire or need to do.