Another Reason For Voter ID
by Big Dog on Dec 29, 2011 at 06:33 Political
I know there are folks who think that requiring an ID to vote disenfranchises many people. This is bogus and is only stated to work people up over the issue. People need an ID to do many things in this country and they should have to show an ID to vote. Yes, there are people who do not have an ID. That is a personal choice and if they want to vote they can get one. Many states that require an ID to vote offer them free to those who can’t otherwise afford them. It is not asking too much of someone to have them get an ID. If they do not want one that is their choice which means they made a choice not to be able to vote (no different than choosing not to register to vote in order to avoid jury duty).
Ironically, those very same people would stand in line for an ID were one required to get a government handout.
There has been plenty of fraud over the decades with dead people voting, people voting in person and absentee in two different states, people voting more than once and people voting in the name of someone else. There are people who fill out ballots for the elderly in nursing homes. Many people in nursing homes who are barely functional vote because someone filled out a ballot for them. This includes people who are never awake.
There is fraud and no matter how small it is it tarnishes the entire system.
We need IDs to thwart some of this so we don’t have close elections being decided when just enough ballots to give the Democrat a win suddenly appear. If they were not cast with a valid ID then they don’t count, period.
This is very important because once the election is over the courts will not do anything even if fraud is shown. Yes, if a person wins by 100 votes and is sworn in and then it is shown that 200 illegal ballots were cast for that person he will remain in office.
The judges on the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals have ruled that election fraud suspected in the 2008 presidential campaign essentially was canceled by the inauguration of Barack Obama. WND
So according to this court any election fraud was invalidated by the inauguration. This means if 5000 dead people vote for someone (Maryland and Chicago like this method) and that someone wins and takes the oath of office the election fraud is invalidated. Suppose you committed tax fraud and received a huge refund even though you were supposed to pay a lot in taxes and then suppose you spent all the money you got back. Do you think the 9th Circus Court would rule your tax fraud had been invalidated because you had already spent the money?
As an aside, there are many Democrats who would like such a ruling (Geithner, Rangel, Daschle etc)
Since most fraud is not discovered until long after the swearing in has taken place there is nothing to stop people from committing fraud because they know they will get away with it as long as it is not discovered before a person takes the oath of office.
At least with voter IDs some of the methods used to cheat will be taken away.
We needs laws allowing elections to be overturned when fraud is discovered no matter when it is discovered and we need mandatory prison terms for people who commit voter fraud.
I know, the bleeding hearts will say this will disenfranchise people.
Yep, it will disenfranchise those who cheat. Democrats won’t like that because they wrote the book on election fraud.
Cave canem!
Never surrender, never submit.
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Tags: 9th circus court, election fraud, voter id
Why is it that our way of life is not worthy of just this one small step towards preventing fraud?
Does it really make any rational sense to force me to produce ID and for the state to track my purchases of a legal over the counter cold remedy yet does not require an ID to vote for the President of the United States, nor provide a method of ensuring I have not voted 2-3 or a dozen times?
You know the other day I went to a new clinic and I had to have my photo ID and my insurance card. While I was in there talking to the Nurse Practioner actually–and I had never been there before–she looked up on the computer and was able to find out all about the medical procedures I have had from the other clinic I had been at. Some people would be bothered about that and I can see their point. I personally don’t care what they know about me. However, if they can do that they can do that with voters too.
Which kinds of voter fraud will a voter ID stop? That’s the best question. There are so many ways to cheat but yet the list must be short for what a voter ID would stop.
The burden should always be on the election officials. More money for elections, better training of staff, and less corruption in election commissions would erase far more election problems than a voter ID would.
More money, always a liberal’s answer to a problem and yet throwing money at things has failed to solve issues but we spend more money (though I am sure people can see the contradiction of solving corruption with MORE money). Multiple votes (a person voting more than once) a person voting as someone else, dead people voting, voting in more than one location (provided they check you in after showing your ID). You see, there are a number of things ID can prevent. The burden for proving who you are should be on YOU. It is my burden when I go through the airport, not TSA’s. I have to prove I am who I say or I will have real problems.
I know Adam, it is tough for you because this requires personal responsibility and you are not real big on that.
“More money, always a liberal’s answer to a problem…”
Yes, and so often a useful solution, I might add. Let’s say election commissions are given more funds to hire more people and to carry out better training. They will detect more registration fraud, they’ll have more accurate voter rolls for election day, and the folks working the polling places will have a much better sense of how to detect and prevent fraud.
Somehow you seem to think making it harder for voters to vote is better than making commissions better at finding fraud.
“You see, there are a number of things ID can prevent.”
I see you list things, but I don’t see you explaining how it happens.
How does a person vote more than once in a way that a photo ID would prevent?
Voter impersonation (living or dead) largely takes place outside of the polling place so how would an ID prevent that?
How do voters vote in more than one location? That’s impossible in most situations. They would need to be voting in more than one county or state instead and then they would probably be registered to vote through legitimate channels (albeit fraudulently) and a photo ID would not stop it.
“I know Adam, it is tough for you because this requires personal responsibility and you are not real big on that.”
No, the problem is voter fraud is so very rare I find your concern for it incredibly disingenuous. The kind of fraud that would be cut down by a photo ID is tiny compared to all the other types of election fraud that has nothing to do with photo IDs.
I don’t see Republicans stepping all over each other to make elections more secure end to end. You just spout useless suggestions and erect more and more barriers to voting that do more harm than good.
A good article on this subject: The ‘evidence’ bolstering voter-fraud allegations