Back to work, Slave!
by Mr. Ogre on Dec 1, 2010 at 15:33 Political
Ah, winter arrives throughout North America, and once again, citizens are turned into slaves. Slave: “One bound in servitude.”
You see, many governments in the winter, require work from people. No, you have no option. You either serve the government and do it’s bidding, including physical labor, or you are jailed. I’m not sure how anyone can say that it is not slavery.
Pretend I’m standing next to you, on a deserted island. I demand that you dig a hole. You either dig a hole, or I will take you and put you in a cage for some amount of time. Then, when I decide to release you from the cage, I again demand that you dig a hole. If you refuse, I might invite a few of my friends over, who beat you in an attempt to get you to dig the hole. If you continue to refuse, it’s back into the cage for you. If I cage you enough times, I’ll just take your property from you, too. And if you get too bothersome, I might have my friends shoot you so I can get someone else to come dig the hole I demand. If you dig the hole I demand, when and where I demand, I’ll leave you alone. And no, there are no “authorities” for you to call and save you. If you attempt to run, my friends will chase you down and capture you and place you in a cage. Is there any way you can say that you’re not a slave under those circumstances?
Sadly, that’s what various governments in the US do when they demand that you shovel snow. Oh sure, it’s for the “common good.” It’s to “help everyone.” But does my hole-digging situation make it all okay if I just say that I’m forcing you to dig a hole to “help people?”
Go ahead, claim government won’t do that because many (like Denver) claim it’s an “administrative citation.” Then watch what happens if you don’t dig their hole or pay their money. They will beat you, arrest you, and jail you. Oh, how I yearn for freedom.
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I love this part from the linked item:
Homeowners: Once snow has stopped falling, residences have twenty-four (24) hours to remove snow from public sidewalks adjacent to their property.
Homeowners, you have 24 hours to shovel the public sidewalk.
Now, the city has days to send plows in to shovel the street so everyone can have access but don’t you worrry about that.
You are right, why should you be compelled to shovel a PUBLIC sidewalk? What next, make people go to the library or school and shovel the sidewalks and parking lots?
I never even thought about it being a public sidewalk. You’re right – I don’t own that and why should I have to shovel it or anything else if I don’t want to. I have enough to do already because of the nazi-HOA where I live. The state pays a lot of money to have people waiting around for the “big one” — some of them could be hitting up my “public sidewalk” while they are in between runs! lol
What would you rather do? Shovel it yourself for sweat or let your tax dollars pay for an army of people to do it for you? The snow’s going away one way or another. I’m just thankful that when the big ones hit last year in Delaware I rented from an apartment complex.
I was out of town. My neighbor came over with a snow blower and cleared my place.
That is how it is done in America the way it used to be.
“What would you rather do?”
Be free.
Why does someone have to be forced to shovel snow? Why can’t we let people be free to shovel snow? Will the world end if no one shovels snow? If the lack of shoveling will actually impact business, you can bet the business will shovel the snow. Forcing anyone to do anything in the name of “safety” is slavery every time.
Really now, where’s your sense of civic duty? You call it slavery. I call it just the cost of living in an organized, safe community. Each person is free to move to the boondocks where he or she won’t have those few feet of public sidewalk to shovel.
I didin’t know my sense of civiv duty was in question. Maybe those 24 years in the Army and all the years as a scout doing things for the community as well as my time as a volunteer firefighter and EMT were discounted as civic duty. Not sure how much more you want. And I while I don’t live in the boondocks I do live in a rural area where people look out for each other. To be more accurate you could say that perhaps I could live in public housing where a government employee would cut my grass and shovel my snow…
I understand, those folks are too busy watching Oprah.
The issue is not whether a person should shovel the sidewalk as much as it is that the government can cite you for not shoveling a sidewalk that does not belong to you. If you can’t (or won’t) shovel it, why should you be cited?
If you VOLUNTEER, then it is a “sense of civic duty”, Adam- if you are compelled by force of LAW, it’s servitude.
The same argument can be made about monies- if the monies are given to a cause freely, it is called Charity, and is to be commended- if it is forceably taken from you by threat of jail, or confiscation of your goods, it is called “Taxation”-
Do you recognize the difference? Do you recognize the MORAL difference?
How about we get some of those folks on unemployment or welfare to do some shoveling? I mean after all they are being paid not to do things right now so we could actually pay them to work. Wow – what a concept.
“I didn’t know my sense of civiv duty was in question.”
So because a person has done a great many things for the country and community as you have done then he or she should get to bow out of simple things like clearing a sidewalk so others in your neighborhood can safely pass? Next you’ll be telling me you don’t help the old lady cross the street because you’ve already done more than enough. I’m kidding of course but I just don’t see the big deal of shoveling a little snow.
In many areas you’re required to cut your own grass and pick up your garbage on your property. Is it different since it’s your property versus a public sidewalk?
See, Adam, this is the difference between you and people who believe in freedom. You see nothing wrong with using force to do things that you, personally, decide need to be done. You can call it “civic duty,” but in reality, you support using force to do things.
Those who support freedom believe people should be free, period.
I think also, this view reflects on individual personalities. Those who support freedom have faith that people will help one another, because those people will. Many who support slavery (aka Democrats, liberals, progressives), in my opinion, feel that force needs to be applied to get things done because those people will not do them themselves.
The difference is simple: FORCE.
Freedom says that people can do things to help one another all they want. Force says that people MUST do what some people decide need to be done.
“See, Adam, this is the difference between you and people who believe in freedom.”
You mean the difference between people like myself that are OK with the rules that govern a free and organized society and the people like you that want an imaginary form of freedom that has never existed and will never exist in America?
Yes, exactly, people like yourself who feel superior to all others and have appointed yourself guardian over everything that other people should be forced to do.
That’s the difference — you want to force people to do things that you want them to do, period. I want people to be free.
I don’t feel superior to anyone, really. Except maybe global warming deniers. Those sad, sad people.
Yeah, the sad, sad people who do not believe in man made global warming. Those who believe, as history shows, temperatures and climate are cyclic. Those who do not need to use phony data or have exposed emails showing the phony data to make a point.
Al Gore said we had 10 years. 5 have gone by so in 5 years we will know who is right.
You can’t really lose your argument that global warming exists because your side claims that everything is caused by global warming. Funny, many will argue the existence of God when we can claim that everything we see, hear, feel, smell, touch or otherwise sense is caused by Him.
The sad people are those who would give up liberty and spend untold amounts to maybe, maybe have an effect of a degree. The sad ones are those who think a harmless gas is responsible for all of this.
Like I said though, if all global warming wackos want to reduce CO2 they can commit suicide. That would stop them from breathing out the stuff and save the planet.
They could stop expiring by expiring…
“Those who believe, as history shows, temperatures and climate are cyclic.”
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“Those who do not need to use phony data or have exposed emails showing the phony data to make a point.”
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“You can’t really lose your argument that global warming exists because your side claims that everything is caused by global warming.”
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“The sad ones are those who think a harmless gas is responsible for all of this.”
No, the sad ones are those clearly smart individuals like yourself who for any number of reasons seem fine spreading easily debunked ideas and outright lies about climate change.
Easily debunked, like global warming was after the release of the emails and phony data (emails that the NYT would not release because they were obtained illegally but had no problem releasing the Wikileaks items).
None of this has been debunked. You can’t use made up data to debunk something and climate researchers used a lot of made up data.
If this was such a sure bet then countries would not need to bribe or manipulate data to get it done.
Hey Big Dog, he said “debunked.” That means “you lose” in any liberal conversation. Nice try using the word back at him, but the conversation is over now. Don’t you know that’s the code word for, “You’re a fool?”