Bush Still Has Class
by Big Dog on Feb 26, 2010 at 20:00 Political
This will make the liberals nuts because they hate the mention of George W Bush. When his name is mentioned they get blood in their eyes and start to drool heavily but that will just have to be too bad. George Bush was at a breakfast with his White House aides and he indicated that he was seeking anonymity and did not want to be a thorn in Obama’s side:
The former president, who also touted his administration’s domestic agenda, said he was resolved to keep a low profile and indicated he did not want to be a thorn in the side of President Barack Obama.
“I have no desire to see myself on television. I don’t want to be on a panel of formers instructing the currents on what to do. I’m trying to regain a sense of anonymity,” Bush said.
“I didn’t like it when a certain former president — and it wasn’t 41 or 42 — made my life miserable,” he said in a reference to Jimmy Carter, who infuriated the Bush White House in 2007 when he accused the administration of allowing the use of torture on terror suspects.
Bush wants to get on with things and not be in the public’s eye. I think it shows a lot of class that he is not out second guessing Obama and his administration.
That is what people like me are for.
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Tags: carter, george w bush, Obama
[quote] “[Bush doesn’t] want to be on a panel of formers instructing the currents on what to do.”
DAR
Bush advising a president on “what to do!?” Worst President Ever? Are you kidding? I guess he could advise them on what NOT to do but if they paid any attention at all during his term, they know that in spades already.
[quote] “I didn’t like it when [Jimmy Carter]… made my life miserable,”>>
DAR
Good! That’s what Jimmy is known for. Standing up for what is right even when it makes people uncomfortable. And torture, is not right. America used to know this.
D.
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“The United States is committed to the world-wide elimination of torture and we are leading this fight by example. I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture and in undertaking to prevent other cruel and unusual punishment. I call on all nations to speak out against torture in all its forms and to make ending torture an essential part of their diplomacy. I further urge governments to join America and others in supporting torture victims’ treatment centers, contributing to the UN Fund for the Victims of Torture, and supporting the efforts of non-governmental organizations to end torture and assist its victims.
No people, no matter where they reside, should have to live in fear of their own government. Nowhere should the midnight knock foreshadow a nightmare of state-commissioned crime. The suffering of torture victims must end, and the United States calls on all governments to assume this great mission.”
–Statement released by George W. Bush in June of 2003, after he had already begun a program which involved water boarding prisoners 180 times.
Link.
Bonus:
SPEAKER’S STATEMENT ON VISIT OF PRESIDENT JIANG
Washington, D.C. — House Speaker Newt Gingrich released the following statement today following his meeting with Chinese President Jiang Zemin.
“As I said in China this spring, there is no place for abuse in what must be considered the family of man. There is no place for torture and arbitrary detention. There is no place for forced confessions. There is no place for intolerance of dissent.” “While we walked through the Rotunda. I explained to President Jiang how the roots of American rule of law go back more than 700 years, to the signing of the Magna Carta. The foundation of American values, therefore, is not a passing priority or a temporary trend.”
Link.
Of course you got this all wrong. When he said sit on a panel it was a metaphor. He meant not publicly criticizing the new guy. Yes, you liked it when Carter did it but when anyone criticizes the man boy in the WH now you whine.
As for torture, we never tortured anyone. We used enhanced interrogation techniques that were reviewed by the justice department and approved by the legal people as conforming to the law in place. If it conformed to the law, it was not torture.
You see, here is where you have a problem. If someone thinks abortion is murder you will play games with the law and say that it is legal and since the guys in the robes said it was OK then it can’t be murder.
When we use techniques that are vetted by the judicial system and determined to comply with the law you say that does not matter because Mancow or McCain says it is torture or that loser Carter says it is torture.
IT DOES NOT MATTER what you or those people think, it is not torture if it is allowed within the framework of our law, and this was.
You want to make water boarding torture then Congress needs to write it in the law and specifically name those things that we define as torture. By not doing that they left the law open to a lot of interpretation.
But, it was not torture under our law.
Worst president? Obama will be that but FDR and Carter are certainly worse than Bush.
Bigd: “if it conformed to the law, it was not torture.”>>
DAR
No, you are confused. Being legal has nothing to do with whether an act is torture. Obviously a country can legalize torture (which is what Bush tried to do).
Bigd: “If someone thinks abortion is murder you will play games with the law and say that it is legal and since the guys in the robes said it was OK then it can’t be murder.”>>
DAR
More confusion. Murder means “wrongful killing.” There are two ways of considering a killing “wrong.” Morally and legally. Abortion is not wrong in a legal sense because (in most cases) it is legal. You, personally, consider it morally wrong. Whether something falls in the category of “torture” is a somewhat ambiguous question but has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it is deemed “legal.”
Have someone take your wife and water board her, under duress, 180 times. Then tell me such an act isn’t torture. When an enemy did it to our soldiers, we considered it torture.
Bigd: it is not torture if it is allowed within the framework of our law,>>
DAR
Nonsense. Whether something is torture has nothing to do with being, or not being, “against the law.” That’s ridiculous.
D.
“Obama will be that but FDR and Carter are certainly worse than Bush.”
You once again jump the gun in calling Obama the worst in his second year but we know credibility on that prediction is not what you’re after when you say such silly stuff.
As for Bush being better than FDR? Don’t make us laugh. In studies and polls it always seems to be a tossup between Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and FDR for the top 5 presidents in history. Simply having a personal bias against a president like you do with FDR doesn’t count.
Carter isn’t considered that great by anyone. Just a middle of the road guy. Nothing great and nothing too bad. He’s just just kind of a “blah” kind of president.
I wouldn’t call Bush the worst ever because obviously scholars disagree. Still though, Bush was clearly the most unpopular president of my lifetime if that counts for anything. That measure for Bush is harder to say for those of you that can include Nixon of course.
Overall it’s a little too early to say if Bush was the worst ever but to say that he was better than FDR is just a hilarious joke. You’d have to be reading the results of some CPAC straw poll to find that to be true.
ADM: “Bush was clearly the most unpopular president of my lifetime…”>>
DAR
An understatement.
D.
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“Mr. Bush’s final approval rating [22%] is the lowest final rating for an outgoing president since Gallup began asking about presidential approval more than 70 years ago.”
CBS.
Hey Dog- does Cheney “still have class”?
Love him or hate him, no one can deny that George W. Bush stood by his expressed convictions. Indeed, that was a major point in his 2004 campaign: “You know where I stand.” He hardly had to mention that his opponent was infamous for trying to take both sides of every issue, according to time, place, and audience preferences. John Kerry made “I voted for it before I was against it” a tagline of American political ridicule, all by himself.
We will not soon see Dubya’s like again.