First Muslim in Congress Should Resign
by Big Dog on Jul 16, 2007 at 19:49 Uncategorized
The first Muslim member of the US Congress, Keith Ellison, should resign from that institution. This is the person who used a Koran to swear in thus giving his allegiance to Allah and the will of Islam over that of his allegiance to the US. He is nothing more than the first wave of Muslims who will try to infiltrate the US government so that one day, as the majority, they can subvert the Constitution and impose Sharia Law.
Wow Big Dog, that is pretty harsh. Not as harsh as the words coming out of Ellison’s mouth. At a convention of atheists (it might have been some time ago) Ellison compared President Bush to Adolph Hitler. While the left has long compared Bush to Hitler, coming from a man whose religion espouses killing of those who do not believe in Islam is just a bit too much. Ellison insinuated that the President was responsible for 9/11 in order to trump up a reason for war. This is in line with the bulk of the kooks in the Democratic Party but when it comes from this guy it sounds as if he is trying to excuse the behavior of his brothers in arms. The evidence is quite clear that the government did not blow up the buildings.
I have given my far out theory before but I will do so again for the benefit of Ellison and any other idiot (Muslim or not) who lacks the sense to see it. A bunch of MUSLIMS (followers of ISLAM) hijacked four airplanes and flew them into three different buildings. The fourth plane crashed into the ground because of the acts of the heroic passengers who were able to overpower the cowards from Islam.
I hear Democrats call for the resignation of Republicans all the time. Some of them are certainly deserved and would mean something if the left actually did the same with regard to their bad actors. Instead we get attacks against Republicans all the time and there is a never ending call for a resignation. This is true all the way to the President who some have demanded resign while others demand impeachment.
I am tired of the double standard and I am tired of Muslim cretins like Ellison. I am now calling for the resignation of this so called man. He does not deserve to be in Congress. He has compared the President to Hitler which makes him no different than Osama bin Laden or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Ellison is a junior terrorist from Islam and needs to go. He needs to be taken to the sandbox in the Middle East and buried like the piece of cat crap that he is.
While we are at it, let’s ban Muslims from serving in our government. The only one they put there has proved that none of them belong.
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Telegraph UK
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I have to agree with you the guy is a piece of crap. The man has done nothing but play into the hands of the far left loons. I am thinking some in Minnesota are thinking twice about their vote for this person.
I have to wonder where we get such lunatics these days? Was it always this way? Back in WW2 did we have these idiOts speaking out like this against FDR? (and who did they compare HIM to??) We seem to have lost any ounce of respectful debate in our leaders- they resort to name calling and insults and it bothers me that I respond in kind. LOL they bring out the worst in all of us.
In a country that allows religious freedom, how exactly do you ban the followers of a religion from serving in government? Should we put tatoos on their arms for easy identification?
Do you have any links or any sort of evidence about Ellison’s alleged offenses? It’s the first I’ve heard of it, but I haven’t visited your blog recently.
I also find your theory that Muslims are trying to take over the US to be absurd. There is currently one (1!) Muslim Congressman in a body of 535 people.
We’ve been thru this before, but how Muslim hoardes will come from the middle east, infiltrate America, take over the governing institutions, etc. as a minor religious minority in country where a majority considers itself Christian is an exercise in fantasy and delusion.
Do you think they can accomplish this goal in less than 150 years? I don’t but I’d very much love to hear the details about how this grand plan to take over the US is supposed to work.
Can you share it? I’ll fashion a tinfoil hat in anticipation.
Billy GoatJoe:
Check out these articles:
Louis Farrakhan’s First Congressman
Keith Ellison and CAIR
Remember, CAIR has been accused of supporting terrorist groups such as Hamas.
Remember the Flying Imams? They were heading to a conference. And guess who else was attending this conference? Mr. Ellison. And this was a CAIR sponsored conference.
Billy there are TONS more if you care to look. Ellison is a Muslim who defends his membership in groups like CAIR and MAS- which has a stated mission of spreading the religion of Islam to all corners of the Earth. Take it for it’s worth. Given radical Islam’s track record, the sheer numbers of attacks and threats, if you cannot see a connection here you’re the one wearing the tin foil hat.
We still have the freedom of thought and association as Americans, don’t we?
If so, people are free to associate with such groups. Just like David Vitter has the right to associate with David Duke.
It’s a free country. Suppressing it will only make matters worse. You have to win these things in the war of ideas, not by passing a constitutional amendment banning all Muslims from serving in Congress.
BiilGoat you missed the point (as do most liberals).
We are a free country. But people are not free to incite hate and rebel rouse others to join terrorist organizations. People are not free to be enemies of the state. Freedom, as being used by so many Muslims will one day come back to bite us. To most liberals, this price is not high enough to profile and keep tabs on those people who might be doing these things. As for Mr Ellison, he has TOO many questionable ties to terror supporting groups. I think members of the Islam religion MUST be vetted out better before we allow them to represent US.
Freedom of speech, thought and religion do not make the overthrow of the United States of America’s government a lawful pursuit or activity.
Radical Islam is not a religion, it’s fascism by another name. Fanatical Islamics are Nazis, hellbent on the annihilation of all peoples who do not convert to their brand of totalitarian, barbaric fanaticism.
And liberals know it full well. You’re using this extreme threat to further you own political goals. You don’t believe in anything these fanatics stand for or their rights to practice their so-called religion. You guys don’t even believe in freedom of religion. If you did, you wouldn’t be attacking Christians all the time.
You’re just using this issue, like you use every other opposing viewpoint or enemy of the conservative majority in this country to further yourselves.
And your country, your fellow Americans, be damned.
Amoral, manipulative, unethical, heartless, vacuous, wastes of human flesh is what you are — every last one of you.
Your way is the way of destruction and it will lead to ruin. You will never succeed in changing and rearranging reality into your vision of how the world ought to be. You may have your day in the sun, but you will never keep hold of power for long.
Your way simply doesn’t work, it loses. Like it or not, this country just isn’t a nation of losers.
BTW, Billy Joe, The oath of office Rep. Keith Ellison took was to as follows:
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
Now, with the recent speeches he’s given at the venues reported, I think there’s absolutely no doubt the man has violated the above oath in a number of ways. Mental reservation, most definitely; purpose of evasion, without a doubt; bearing true faith and allegiance, not to the USA, to Allah & Islam he has, but not to his sworn duty.
The man is an enemy of this country. He ran for Congress under false pretenses and lied to the people who elected him; something permitted by Islam, but is strictly forbidden, is unlawful in the USA. He must resign or be expelled from Congress.
This issue has nothing to do with violating his rights to freely praticing his “religion” or rights to free speech or thoughts. It’s about the Rep. Keith Ellison’s betrayal of his Oath of Office. He has dishonored & violated that oath. And you damn well know it.
this is racist, and sounds like the nonsense that bush pushed at the public about islamic fascist. if you read behind history of events, we wheeeled and dealed our way into this mess from 1979-2007. this is a melting pot nation, to deny a person the right to seat in representation is making a hypocrite of what we stand for or have we dumped that too.
Racist? This isn’t racist, this is war, pal. This is survival. Radical Islam has declared war against the USA, or do think what they did to us on 9/11/2001 was an expression of Allah’s love?
I’ll tell you what’s racist; it’s muslims living in free, democratic societies bestowing on themselves the right to kill their fellow citizens because they don’t follow their precious Allah.
It’s muslims denying their fellow citizens the same freedom to worship the religion of their choice that free, democratic societies allow them.
It’s muslims attempting and demanding to impose their repressive, violent, vicious and abusive treatment of women on free, democratic societies.
It’s muslims lying through through their teeth, taking Oaths of Office, like Rep. Ellison, vowing to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America while secretly having no intention of doing anything of the kind.
I don’t deny anyone their right to hold any office. I deny their right to BETRAY that office. I deny their right to BETRAY the American people who elected them to it and the the country they promised to protect.
That is not racist, you moron. That’s called law-abiding and patriotic, something you would know nothing about.
This is racist and UNFAIR..you all need clarifications..this is not really About Keith’s position in the government..this is you having personal issues about the ISLAM religion.. so get your facts striaght and make your own topics about your sick racism minds somewhere else..i feel sorry for you all..thats not how a perfessional Americans are.. and you all are the problem in america so stop pointing fingers at someone else and take a look at yourselves..Stop this madness and go get some helps..thats what you all need!!!!!
and for Ms. Pussy..
there’s no need for you to get all pissed about beacuse were debating about a topic so please try to calm your temper..and stop calling folks moron beacuse you know pretty well that no one here is moron then you are..so please take your perosnall issues outside!!
Yeah pal, we’re the mad ones, but you’re the ones blowing up INNOCENT human beings, beheading MUSLIM children in front of their parents, baking MUSLIM children and serving them as lunch to their families in Iraq. You are the doctors in Britain blowing up cars trying kill hundreds of civilians because you think there are loose women out dancing that shouldn’t be.
Don’t hand us that crap about us having the problem. We’re not setting off bombs in Mecca and Medina while innocent people worship. That’s more your style.
Give it up you bunch of savages. We’re on to you and your barbarity and we aren’t going to bullied into silence about you anymore. And we don’t give a rat’s petoot if you call us names, accuse of being racists. Big frigging deal.
You’re a bunch of brutal sadists who have no place in our world if you cannot behave yourselves, which you obviously can’t. Get out of our countries. Go home before you get yourselves killed.
We’re done taking your crap, bucko. You’d better wise up or you all are gonna wind up dead.
Oh, I see you’re one of “those” muslim men. Like Arafat, who couldn’t handle a woman, especially one who’s strong, educated and competent. Poor baby. This is America, and here in America, men aren’t allowed to tell women what to do and how to behave. So never mind giving me pointers on my temper. Don’t recognize RIGHTEOUS INDIGNATION when you read it? Guess not. But then again, you probably weren’t educated beyond the 4th grade, were you?
WOW..very strong words blubing out of your trashy mouth..and did i hear you say{get out of our countires}?..what countries our we talking about dear beacuase i know very well that AMerican belongs to everyone in the world…so tell me when you u owned America..i recommed you to go and read the history of (OUR)country “MISS America” beacuse you seem to not no of America much. [Good luck on your research]
Think what you like. It must be nice to be so smug and superior. Your opinion doesn’t matter. What matters is the truth. And the truth is that the USA is going to prevail in this war. Radical Islamics are going straight to hell where they belong. And I am done with you, I am not going to respond to one more word you have to say, I don’t care what it is. You don’t matter.
LOL..
thats what i thought..it’s ok dear..NO need for tears..i don’t wanna make you cry no more..my goal was to point out your mistakes of getting too smart without KNowladge and i guess i proved that.. now with That being said, theres no need for your responds we all know what your going to say next anyways..LEAVE oUR RULERS ALONE AND LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS..[i rest my case]
Hi Patsy,
I had no idea you were a raving feminist. Right on, Sister! Stand up against male dominance.
I just want to add a note and get your response. Did you know that in the latest campaign cycle, Republican anti-Iraq War candidate Ron Paul got more campaign contributions from people in the military than every other Republican presidential candidate combined?
Since the troops appear to be largely supporting a candidate who wants us out of Iraq 4 years ago, would you say the troops are failing to recognize the seriousness of Islamofascism that has you hiding under your bed? would you call them a waste of space, traitors or ask them to leave their own country?
I look forward to your well-reasoned response. Please feel free to drop by my blog, too. There’s all sorts of stuff for your to get worked up about.
You and I see the world differently, as we’ve sparred before, Billy Joe. Let’s just leave it at that. And I’m not hiding under my bed. As you may recall, I have an active duty military family. So your assertions that the military supports getting out of Iraq is a gross overstatement and misrepresentation. Although I don’t doubt there are those who are serving who support withdrawal from Iraq and Ron Paul.
No, I don’t think they should get out of our country or that they are traitors, especially since they are serving in our armed forces.
Far more of troops have re-enlisted while still serving in Iraq, Billy Joe. That is a fact, too, and it speaks volumes about what the majority of them think of their mission. Dismiss it if you like, but our troops believe in what we’re doing.
My objection to Rep. Ellison is his comparing our President to Hitler and his implying that President Bush planned and executed 9/11 in order to have a reason to go to war against muslims. This is not what he was saying to the voters he was wooing as he was getting elected. He was the voice of reason and sanity.
Now he’s making traitorous speeches at dubious venues in front of organizations whose members are terrorist-sympathizing, terrorist-supporting and terrorist-funding muslims. They are our enemies and he’s in front of them comparing our Commander-In-Chief to Nazis.
I object to his lying about his true beliefs & intentions. He has violated his Oath of Office. It matters not that he swore on the Holy Koran, instead of the Holy Bible, the oath of office is what matters. The man’s word is dishonorable.
I wouldn’t classify myself as a rabid feminist. But I won’t be subjugated by abusive muslims imposing repressive Sharia laws upon me or my fellow citizens. They have no right to inflict that brutality on anybody, let alone a free, independent American woman.
Let’s just stop this nonsense, the radicals within Islam are absolutely brutal and must be stopped. WE must stop them, WE are the only ones who can stop them. There is no one else with the strength to do it. And they are not going to stop unless they are utterly defeated by a force more powerful than they are.
Leaving Iraq is only going to prolong the war. We are going to have to deal with this. So while we’re already there, let’s finish it. Don’t get weak, buck up, man.
You are right, this is about Islam. Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a religion of submission and the goal of Islam is to subject the rest of the world to their way of life. Despite what BJ thinks, this could happen in America because we are complacent. Like the people of Germany, we will wake up one day and realize it is too late to do anything. Might be past our lifetime but it will come unless we act.
Yes, I have a problem with Islam and I freely admit it. Every time one of the savages does something wrong it is in the name of Allah and Islam. They never say they are fighting for any other reason and they always quote the Koran and praise Allah and say that what they are doing is directed by him and in his name.
You don’t hear Americans coming out of battle telling everyone that they are doing it for Jesus or for God. They are doing it for America.
Islam is a disease that was spread by a child molester named Mohammad. He was no prophet, just a pervert who made people believe that Allah talked to him. Unfortunately, a bunch of fools listened.
By the way,
Racism is a stupid attack. I discussed his religion not his race. That is a nice word to scream when you don’t know what else to say but the fact is, I attacked his position and his views not his race. His race is of no consequence.
I just though as long as we are correcting people here…
They can attack with the racism label all they like, if that’s the worst they can come up with, so what, Big Dog? Just cause they say doesn’t make it so. And the barbarity, the cruelty, the unspeakable inhumanity the muslims of al Qaeda in Iraq have perpetrated against their fellow muslims, please…. They need to just shut the hell up. Their name-calling and whining about their rights just has absolutely no effect on me, whatsoever. Rabid animals like that have no rights. Islam needs to be abolished, needs to be ended, needs to be replaced with another religion entirely. You are absolutely right about its origin and creator. Sick, sick, sick.
If Muslims are bothering you guys this much and cuasing you fear, then why don’t you all come out of the dark and face reality by solving your islamphobia issues outload..go face the muslims and tell them the truth beacuse thats the only way you can get over your sickness. [by the way i wonder how you live around all those muzlims in your environment..you smile for them on the street and talk trash on the internet..thats a weak move to abolish islam in America..don’t u think..
Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance…
with that being said i think every American has/should have the right to serve their country as congress, government,or presidents with out being judged by their color or Religion..
I just read all these comments and I realized that everybody here, except Billy Joe(and Curtis to some degree) is being irrational. It seems like everyone has a somewhat of a hatred towards the Muslims or in Justification’s case he is obviously Muslim, trying defend his religion in a inappropriate manner. I am not trying to offend anyone but I believe you all are being irreasonable in your theologies (other than B.Joe who is asking for reasonable evidence on the story behind the story). Really, you all are not thinking in a full perspective. As Curtis was saying, this idea of trying to stop a certain group from participating in the Congress is discrimination (faithism not racism, I think is what he meant, since it is based on their religion). I mean ,of course, you, Patsy, would not see yourself being extremely prejudice(which I do believe you are being to some extent). From your post it seems you are looking things from a biased view that I don’t think is the entire view. The way I see this is like back in 1960’s and 1950’s individual American’s and communities (whites) were extremely racist to black individuals and communities. Think how would they react if a black man was in the congress and then he said ” America should eliminate the Joe Crow laws”. ‘Oh my God the blacks are trying to change America the beautiful the land of equality” and ” are they not happy that they are not slaves anymore now they want to change our laws’ would be common reactions. I mean, we only realize the injustice done the African-Americans now that we look back. So I am saying maybe the same thing is going on now and we will only realize this later in the future when history becomes, well, history. Like I said no offense, I just want everybody to benefit from my post. If I am incorrect in anything I posted here please let me know I want to see my mistakes and benefit from it as well. Thank you for taking your time to read my comment.
PS: Patsy, the congressman from Colorado already suggested bombing Mecca (while of course millions of Muslims were praying). As well as many other people who mention that on radios, internet,and T.V.; so it wouldn’t be exactly right to say it’s not our style.
Justification, with a name like that you should more… um I don’t know… justifying. How do you expect for someone to react to your reply nicely?! I mean you are referring to others as morons after you just told the other not to call folks that! As the old saying goes ‘a soft answer does away with wrath’. I understand your frustration … but have patience. Okay, I forgot what else I was going to say…. Peace y’all
My views have nothing to due with being a racist. I despise what’s going on right now, this very minute and in the past several months in Iraq and in the past several years around the world. The killing and torturing of innocent human beings by muslims rationalizing their brutality by quoting the Koran. Right now Iraqi and American troops, fighting side by side are pushing al Qaeda in Iraq terrorists out of Iraq villages who have beheaded Iraqi children in front of their parents before they killed those parents. Al Qaeda in Iraq terrorists who have invited families to lunch and served those family’s own 11 year old sons baked with their mouths stuffed for the meal. Al Qaeda in Iraq who have cut off the “smoking” fingers of anyone caught smoking cigarettes in any of the villages they have invaded and taken over. Torture safehouses controlled by al Qaeda in Iraq where dozens of innocent Iraqi civilians have been liberated after having been held for months on end, being tortured in the most heinous and cruel ways.
Are you listening?
I despise any human being and any religion that does this to any other human being. This is what Islam does to human beings. I hate Islam and anyone who has an ounce of humanity in them should too. Islam should be defeated and outlawed. Put an end to Islam. Death to Islam. Islam is death. Do you get it? Did I make it plain enough for you? This isn’t about race, this is about evil and cruelty and barbarity.
Elizabeth,
That would mean that the rest of us have the right to think what we want about Islam.
Justifications, not afraid to face Muslims. More likely the Muslims are afraid to act nice when they are out in public and turn into animals when they get to the Mosque.
Well ,Patsy, again Americans have their share of brutality and injustice. have you ever considered the men in Abu Ghraib camps. They were being held injustly without trial and how were the AMERICAN troops treating; they were stripping them naked and having dogs devour them. Those were men who may or may not have done anything suspicious that were in that prison.
Now I agree with you big dog we have the right to think however we want about Islam, just like Muslims can think whatever they want about Americans; but we all need to do this with thought out and intelligent unbiased ideas. Big Dog have you ever visited a Mosque?
Abu Ghraib????? Who was beheaded there???? Who was tortured there?????
HOW DARE YOU COMPARE SOME CHILDISH COLLEGE HAZING TYPE PRANKS WITH:
THE BEHEADING OF CHILDREN!
THE BAKING & SERVING FOR LUNCH OF CHILDREN!!
THE MASS EXECUTION OF ENTIRE POPULATIONS OF IRAQI VILLAGES!!
TORTURE HOUSES!!
CUTTING OFF INNOCENT CIVILIANS’ FINGERS FOR SMOKING CIGARETTES!!!
Are you incapable of rational thought? You people are really something. Abu Ghraib was nothing and you liberals trying to make it out to be some horrific event are just unbelievable. It doesn’t amount to anything. What a stupid rationalization for unspeakable cruelty.
yes Big Dog,
you are right of having the freedom of thinking however we want to think, just like that Every American have the right to RULE and Lead america despite their differences.. so let the guy be muslim or even a JEW, he’ll still qualify for the position as long as he is an AMerican.thats all what matters. [ By the way how did they ACT in mosques??]
MS.PATSY
you mentioned the killing and torturing of innocent human beings by muslims rationalizing their brutality” and i was wondering what does that have to do with KEith?…how can we make the typical american guy a STRANGER all of a sudden just beacuse he chose to have different believe system then you and i..
[then how can we think even for a mintue that Americans are granted the freedom of RELIGION]..
Elizabeth,
Not every American has a right to rule (I assume you mean hold office, we are not ruled in America we are represented), just so you know. The Constitution is specific about it. Ellison fits the definition of an American who is allowed to hold office, and that is fine.
However, if every Democrat can call for the resignation of a Republican with whom they disagree then I can call for the resignation of those with whom I disagree.
You see, unlike those barbaric Middle Eastern countries, our leaders work for us. We do not work for them and are not their servants. We pay their salaries and we can put them in office or take them out and they can not change that.
In the ME, you cross a ruler (they are rulers there) and you can get killed. Neither Ellison nor any other politician can have me disciplined for what I say or believe. It would be fatal if they ever tried.
I do not believe the guy is sincere and I think he likens the president to Hitler and tries to stir up the idea that Bush caused 9/11 to take the focus off the Islamic animals that actually did it. He is working for the enemy and not for America. I want him gone.
Don’t like it, too bad. CAIR and any other terrorist organization (yes CAIR is a terrorist front group) can go perform sex acts upon themselves for all I care.
I have never been to a Mosque and have no desire to go to one. I have seen the videos of the Imams who bash America and call for our death. If that happened while I was in a Mosque I would hurt the Imam and anyone else who got in the way so it is best I stay out of them.
Elizabeth,
One other thing. Americans are not granted the freedom of religion. It is an inherent right. No one says that Ellison can not be a Muslim. He is just not fit to serve in Congress because his religious views run contrary to his oath of office.
Ms. Elizabeth, you didn’t read anything I wrote with respect to the Congressman, did you? I do not object to him being a muslim Congressman, I object to his lying and conniving to get elected, as the Koran permits, but his oath of office does not. I object to him, a Congressman of the United States House of Representatives, making a speech before a Radical Islamic Group known to have ties with and support for terrorists, the enemies of our nation.
I object to this Congressman comparing our President to Adolph Hitler before this crowd of radical Islamics and for making the charge that President Bush planned & executed the attacks on 9/11/2001 in order to go to war against muslims.
The speech he made, using this rhetoric, in front of that audience violated the oath of office he took when he became a United States Congressman.
This man is no longer a private citizen, who can run off at the mouth whenever and wherever he feels like it.
He is now charged with and has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America.
He freely chose this post and agreed to perform the duties the position carries with
it. He isn’t permitted to pick & choose the parts of his job he likes and only tend to those duties. He must carry out all of his responsibilities, or none of them.
He lied to his constiuents when he ran for office. He misrepresented his intentions about what his beliefs were and what role radical Islam played in his life, which he said over and over again, was none before he was elected. The speech he gave, the words he spoke to the audience he spoke those words to have revealed those lies.
He has violated his oath of office and must resign. He is unfit for duty, unfit to hold office.
Now I am not going to explain this to you again.
Wow… nice Georgi I like your speech.
Ms.Patsy, the Koran does not permit lying and Islam is not a religion of violence. It is a beautiful religion. And if you truly believe half the things you are saying you are deprived of something wonderful. As you can tell I am Muslim and I love being a Muslim as well as being a citizen of the U.S. I follow the law just like any law abiding American.
Aside from all that I agree with you guys that a Muslim should not take office in the U.S., because so many of the American laws oppose our religion. So if a Muslim man is educated enough that he feels he needs to participate in the government then he should go to a Muslim country and take part there. This is only common sense since our religion is a system and it has its own laws. It is one thing to live in this country and practice our religion without interfering with others, but to go into the goverment business is completely different.
Freeda,
You can say all you want that the Koran and your religion does not allow lying or violence but that is just hogwash designed to make people believe that Islam is a religion of peace. It definitely is not.
The child molester Mohammad told people that it was OK to lie to non believers and that violence against those who refused to convert was allowed by Allah. This is historical fact and the Koran has many passages that incite violence against others, including Muslim women (why you would allow that).
Islam does not allow lying to other Muslims. Sharia Law is violent and the idiots in Iraq blowing up their fellow Muslims certainly are not being peaceful…
I agree with your second paragraph except many Americans oppose Islam because of what Islam has done, or more accurately, what people have done in the name of Islam.
2 quick comments for Patsy and BD, if I may:
BD,
You said Muslims are always justifying their actions based on their religion. The quote below is from Lt. Gen. William G. “Jerry” Boykin, who, as I understand it, has been promoted since spouting this superstitious nonsense in 2003:
Boykin “…declare[d] that radical Islamists hated the United States “because we’re a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian … and the enemy is a guy named Satan.”
Discussing the battle against a Muslim warlord in Somalia, Boykin told another audience, “I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.”
“We in the army of God, in the house of God, kingdom of God have been raised for such a time as this,” Boykin said last year.
On at least one occasion, in Sandy, Ore., in June, Boykin said of President Bush: “He’s in the White House because God put him there.”
This is surely as insane and moronic as something Osama bin Laden would say, don’t you think? And this is a man leading the US military. he should be committed to a mental institution.
Patsy,
Does your belief in not allowing subversive organizations that advocate the destruction of the US gov’t include neo-Confederacy and White Supremacist organizations? What about people who drive around openly flying the seditious Confederate Flag? Have a look around the right-wing blogosphere. The Confederate Flag is everywhere. Should we round them all up and throw them in modern day concentration camps?
If Islam isn’t a religion of violence then why are you all so violent? Why is it whenever you are challenged about the beheadings, massacres, torture, baked children, cruelty, brutality, barbarity inflicted on muslims by muslims, you answer by say Islam is a religion of peace. That is a bald-faced lie! Then you say Islam doesn’t allow lying. Yeah, tell me another, Freeda.
You’re equating Christians who believe in our righteousness with insanity, Billy Joe? That God put President Bush in the White House, through Divine Providence or Divine Intervention … that sounds moronic to you?
Seek professional help, Billy Joe. You’re not functioning properly, dear. You are the one who belongs in a mental institution.
Isn’t it ironic that liberals believe anyone who has faith in God and His direction in their lives MUST be insane, but the terrorists who kill and torture in the name of Islam must be understood, must have good cause for the brutality they commit? You are all nuts, do you know that?
As for the neo Nazis, white supremacists & neo-confederacy orgs, I don’t much care for them, truth be told. When they break the law, they are arrested and sent to prison. And lots of them have been.
But isn’t that just like you liberals to change the subject when you have no rebuttal for the awful truth about what we’re up against? Last time I checked, none of those distasteful organizations were torturing or beheading anyone, but maybe you should be afraid of them, all the same, Billy Joe.
Patsy,
Of course God didn’t put Bush in the White House. The Supreme Court did, remember? Bush v. Gore, 5 to 4. Wingnuts have very short memories don’t they? Are you saying God DID put Bush in the White House?
Last you heard Neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates, etc. weren’t torturing and beheading anyone? What about the guys who dragged a black man around Texas from the back of their truck until his body disintegrated just a couple of years ago? Certainly 50 years ago lynching was still going on. Neo-Nazis have killed people. the organizations that did this still exist, just in case FOX News isn’t covering them and therefore you didn’t realize it.
I’m just trying to determine which organizations should have their members banned from Congress. If someone who is Muslim is automatically considered anti-American and unfit for office, how about a Robert E. Lee idolizing, Confederate Flag waving nutjob? I mean, the Confederacy waged an actual war against the US government, in America, that lasted for 4 years and killed 600,000+ soldiers yet Confederate supporters, almost 150 years later still repeat slogans like “The South will Rise Again!” Is that not anti-American? And is that not an implicit threat against the US gov’t?
I suppose somewhere you have focused your considerable brain power on the Confederate traitors who populate the Republican party and many states, right? It would be strange for you to not be railing against them as you are against Muslims. There are certainly more of them than there are Muslims in the halls of Congress, that’s for sure.
If breaking the law is your standard of judgement though, I guess you’ll have to find a law that Ellison has broken. Good luck. I don’t even recall seeing an actual quote or link about his anti-Americanism above. If he’s not breaking an actual law though, I don’t see how you can ban him from Congress.
For what it’s worth Boykin, bin Laden, Bush – they all belong in a mental asylum. If your Cloud Being is telling you to wage a war, you’re officially crazy as far as I’m concerned. If Boykin said he thought he was fighting Spiderman, would you not think he’s insane? Why is his view that we’re fighting ‘Satan’ not viewed the same way?
By the way, I wasn’t impressed by your attempt to divert attention away from the fact that soldiers in the US military are overwhelmingly backing candidates who want the US out of Iraq. A couple of years ago, wingnuts accused people against the Iraq war of ‘hating the troops’. Does this mean the troops ‘hate the troops’?
You Iraq War supporters are in a delusional minority. I’m still not sure exactly how you think Muslims are going to take over a country with 300 million people who don’t even share their religion and is separated from them by the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Of course, they lack conventional forces capable of seizing America, as well. There’s a greater likelihood that Mormonism will do it first and they have a 100+ year head start and are STILL a small fraction of the religious population of the US.
Quit cowering in fear and get a life.
The Supreme Court ruled against Gore and his attempt to cherry pick what votes he wanted to count in Florida in order to steal the Presidential election from the rightful winner, you moron. And yes, I absolutely believe in my soul that God’s Will was done by putting George W. Bush in the White House.
As for the rest of your ramblings, go suck an egg. We had a civil rights movement in this country. Do any of your liberals KNOW THAT?
The murderers of James Byrd were all tried for that vicious horrible crime, two of them: John King & Lawrence Brewer were sentenced to death, the third man; Shawn Berry was given life in prison.
Our country doesn’t allow the torturing and killing of it’s citizens. We don’t celebrate such brutality. We revile from it. We punish those offenses.
As for the military men against the war, I said there were those who held those views. I acknowledged it. I accepted it. Said it was their right. You are full of crap about it being the “overwhelming majority” of them, it’s a small minority, pal. You are deluding yourself.
I never stated that muslims had a snowball’s chance in hell of defeating this country. They don’t. That’s not to say that we don’t have to fight them. Because evil like that can’t be allowed to stand. But I guess you don’t get that.
And be honest, Billy Joe, all of you liberals hate the military. Because deep down, you’re just a bunch of cowards who run from a fight every time. All you ever do in life is back down. You’re a bunch of frigging wimps.
Billy Troll,
I believe that many on the right have said for years that Robert Byrd does not deserve to be in Congress because of his Klan activities. Same with David Duke. Liberals keep putting them in office. I also know that the Confederate Flag is a symbol of people who fought to secede from the Union, an act that was considered legal by every founder of this country. The Flag is a symbol of the heritage of those people who fought for what they thought was right.
To disallow that Flag is to deny our history and puts those who espouse such notions in line with those who do not allow the display of the Nazi Flag in Germany (which is a criminal act). It is part of their history. Ironically, the American Nazi Party, vile as they are, are allowed to display their flag and no one demands that it be removed as Anti Semetic. A Confederate Flag gets a person the tag of racist even though that flag had nothing to do with slavery or racism. It represented people who believed in state’s rights and desired to secede from what they believed were the bonds of an oppressive government, much as our founders did with England.
As for the guys who dragged the black man to death, as memory serves, George Bush as Governor signed the execution order for one of them and the others went to jail for life. They committed a crime and they were punished.
No one said Ellison committed a crime but he has failed to live up to his oath of office and for that he needs to be removed.
Your disdain for religion is evident in your comments (except when you defend Islam). You are entitled to believe as you wish but you are in a minority and have no right to impose your views upon others. Your assertion that we impose our religion on others is wrong. We expect people to live according to their beliefs without imposing their will upon those who do not believe as they do. Muslims do not do that, as evidenced by some of the comments of the Muslims here and the leaders in the Muslim countries.
As for Bush, the SCOTUS did not put him in office. The voters did. He was the winner in each and every recount and the SCOTUS was only involved because of the lawsuit filed by Gore. The Florida Supreme Court ruled, ILLEGALLY, that recounts only had to be in certain places and the SCOTUS overturned that which meant that ALL votes had to be counted (including those disenfranchised military votes). The problem with the left is they only see things as fair when they win. The fact is, Bush won EVERY recount. Gore lost. Of course, if Gore had carried his own state he would have been the president but I guess that was the fault of Bush and the SCOTUS as well.
You can attempt to rewrite history but it is ineffective. Those who display a Confederate Flag are not racists (some are but then again so are some who hate that flag).
There are some in the military who support candidates who want to leave Iraq. That is a small part of those who serve or served and millions of veterans support our efforts. You take a small part of a population and assume its characteristics for the entire group. There is no manifesto saying that these people represent all veterans but there is a manifesto (Koran) that displays the beliefs of Islam, and yet you ignore it.
I will address how to impose ones will on a country that can not be invaded by a conventional army. Use terror threats to make people hypersensitive to the group that makes the threats. Use an organization (like CAIR) to cry discrimination and racism every time something happens. Then run people for office and ensure that anyone who opposes the group is labeled as a racist (which is impossible since Islam and Arab is not a race). Eventually there will be enough people in power to effect changes. The Muslims have said that they would like to replace our Constitution with Sharia Law. They can wait a long time to accomplish that.
So patsy,
was clinton selected by God? what about bush sr., carter?
You’re right – there was a civil rights movement. a movement spearheaded by liberals. Your 40 hour work week? A gift from labor.
Without liberalism we’d we’d still have public lynchings and the attendent picnics for drunk onlookers. Without pro-labor provisions people would be working 2 or 3 jobs for low wages. Ooops! They already do now that now that the Republicans have gutted the labor department for 30 years. Hey, ‘conservatism’ offers us the chance to return to the glory days of 1890!
Big Dog,
The people of West Virginia put Byrd in. Are West Virginians flaming liberals? I thought not.
People in American are free to bash religion. Religious people are free to worship in their churches and their homes and to go from door to door spreading their faith if they want to. I hardly think Christians are the world’s greatest victims, but enjoy your victimhood. It seems to be the right-wings favorite crutch.
The military is supporting anti-war candidates at a rate of 70% to 30%. The same percentage of Americans who want out of Iraq, wouldn’t you know?
CAIR is the only group that ever cries “discrimination” to push their agenda? Gee, what about the perpetually wounded whiners on the Christian right? What about people who don’t goosestep to right wing Israeli policies who are labled anti-semetic?
Get real. You have no sense of perspective whatsoever. I already knew that, but you should get a clue.
You don’t know much about economics, Billy Joe. Or civil rights legislation passage or who supported it. Or military support for the war. You don’t know very much about anything. You are pathetic. You must have an awfully tough time going through this life being as ignorant as you are, not understanding anything about the world you live in. The pitiful thing about you is you’re so damn dumb you don’t even know it. What a shame, Billy Joe.
BJ,
Patsy is right. It was Conservatives who pushed civil rights while Democrats like Byrd were lynching people. Republicans ended slavery, and you can say what you want about Christians, all we ask is a fair shake. Stop making us take things down (in violation of the Constitution) while allowing other groups to participate.
Communists like ACLU want to silence Christianity because we are their biggest threat.
When you say the military you are misleadin. That is only those in the military WHO DONATE. Having been a soldier probably longer than you have been on Earth, I never made enough to live on and doante (different now) so I doubt Joe Snuffy is giving up his hard earned money.
Retired generals and other officers as well as those who want to get in office and will try to ride the Democratic wave on in. Not the average soldier.
I wasn’t going to bother with answering him or refuting his infantile issues, point by point, Big Dog. It’s obvious he’s completely ignorant of how this great nation functions or came to be.
First of all, Democrats and liberals didn’t champion civil rights or abolish slavery, Republicans did that. And in a Republic like ours, any massive new direction the country takes requires the agreement and cooperation of ALL of it citizens, the American people.
How dare Democrats try to claim the credit for changing this country as if they imposed their will on the rest of us?
We all agreed and made the choice together as Americans because racial discrimination was wrong. It was a national reaction to the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Martin Luther King, Bobby Kennedy and the race riots of the 60’s.
It’s plain from how Billy Joe expresses himself that he is simply ticking off talking points, not discussing knowledge he’s acquired from firsthand experience. He doesn’t know what happened. He either wasn’t alive when it all went down, or if he was, he was locked in a mental ward somewhere.
His assertion about the 40 hour work week was just plain silly, straight out of the Communist manifesto. And quite frankly, I don’t need liberals’ protection & neither does anybody else in this country. America is the land of opportunity, thank you very much. I don’t know too many people who work just 40 hours a week, actually. You don’t get anywhere that way.
My hubby and I own a jet aircraft maintenance facility. We have 25 employees and have been hiring additional employees all year. We’re trying to add a 3rd shift to go 24/7. We don’t have a minimum wager in the bunch. We don’t need the Congress to tell us how to pay our employees or what benefits to give them. We know they need health insurance and they all have it and their families,too.
We’ve been able to do this because we planned, saved, took risks and, most importantly, by educating ourselves, not by it being mandated by the United States government. And that’s how the vast majority of this country’s businesses work, as well.
Billy Joe doesn’t have a clue about that, though. He spends his time listening to other losers. Liberals, who also haven’t invested any of their time learning how to be responsible, productive, contributing members of this great nation.
Liberals spend their time criticizing folks like us. Conservatives who have educated themselves, worked hard (not just a 40 hour week), sacrificed, taken care of our employees, invested in the future, paid our taxes, lived clean lives and raised our children, gone to church and contributed to our communities.
Liberals sneer at conservatives like us, look down their noses at us, like they know better than we do what should be done with what we produce. Contempt & disdain are the most fervent emotions liberals feel for conservative, productive Americans.
Why are we smart enough to make the money that generates all of the tax revenue, but not smart enough to direct how much is taxed & where those tax revenues should be allocated?
Billy Joe, you are going to continue to have a miserable life and your prospects for a bright future are nil if you don’t wise up. You need to do 2 things:
1. Join a church. You need the Lord in your life, son.
2. Get your ass back in school and take courses in business, business admninstration, marketing, engineering, — anything but liberal arts, humanities, sociology, psychology — no claptrap — mind-numbing useless drivel.
Learn something you can make some money with when you’re done.
I promise you you’ll be a much more competent, happier and conservative person.
Patsy and BD.
as ms.FREEDA has already clearified the statue of islam and MUSLIM, islam is a beautiful way of life that teachs love, peace and justice. people are confused about ISLAM AND MUSLIMS. well ISLAM is the beautiful faith that has been talked about most WORLDWIDE and the muslims are the people who aknowldage that beauty and choose to apply it into their everyday lives. with that being said, i don’t understand where people got the idea of islam teaching violence and lies. thats far from what islam symboliz. therefore i encourage each of you to learn about the faith before you judge it.You don’t have to believe in Islam, but would do no harm if more people had a more accurate picture.A lot of comments on here are inacturate, I don’t see what insults hope to achieve. Education prevents prejudice.
Patsy & BD,
Can you or Big Dog tell me some conservatives who lead the civil rights movement 40 years ago? I wasn’t aware that conservatives were such a great force in the movement. I thought Lyndon Johnson bit the bullet when he passed the civil rights act and lost the Southern Democrats to the Republican party. Nixon then implemented a “Southern Strategy” to appeal to white, Southern voters to turn the South solidly Republican. Remember? Johnson said Democrats would lose the south for at least a generation when he signed it (leadership that George Bush would never demonstrate, by the way), and the dominant Southern Conservatives have been dreaming about the glory days of the 1950’s (pre civil rights – coincidence?) ever since.
Since you’re so knowledgeable though and I’m so stupid, I’d be very interested having you enlighten me about a few of the modern conservatives who fought the civil rights battles of the 50’s and 60’s.
By definition, being conservative means trying to maintain the status quo (stay the course!) and in America the status quo has included things like slave labor, segregation, etc.
Side note: I know a thing or two about business myself, as I run one. I’d be interested in hearing Patsy’s business-minded analysis of the steady federal deficits and the national debt which has exploded in the past 6 years. What do you think of Bush’s ability to run an economy, Business & Finance Master Patsy? Would you trust a business – or your own money – to him? If you have data to back up your assertions, feel free to throw it in your response. As a business person, you must realize how important data is in measuring your success.
How about we go earlier:
US Grant, Republican President, signed 1871 Civil Rights Act that shut down (at least for the time being) the KKK.
1957 Orval Faubus, Democratic Governor of Arkansas tried to block black kids from entering school. Eisenhower, Republican President, Federalized the guard and ordered them back to their barracks then sent 101st Airborne to protect the black students.
1960s Eugene Bull Connor was a Democratic police official and member of KKK who tried to block the change of power after George Wallace was defeated (Wallace was a pro-segregation Democrat). Connor was responsible for violence agaonst blacks during civil rights movement.
These are the totals by party on the vote for the Civil Rights act of 1964:
The original House version:
* Democratic Party: 153-96 (61%-39%)
* Republican Party: 138-34 (80%-20%)
The Senate version:
* Democratic Party: 46-22 (68%-32%)
* Republican Party: 27-6 (82%-18%)
The Senate version, voted on by the House:
* Democratic Party: 153-91 (63%-37%)
* Republican Party: 136-35 (80%-20%)
Notice that a greater number (by percentage since they were the minority) of Republicans voted for the measure. The largest no votes were from the South and both parties voted no. Robert KKK Byrd voted NO and he was from the North and a Democrat.
I am not going to get all the names, this should satisfy your inquiry.
Billy Joe, you run a company? Well, that’s nice, good for you. Although that’s not quite the same as owning one’s own business, BJ.
As for investing my money with the President, I’d do it without hesitation, every day of the week and twice on Sunday. This is the strongest economy we’ve ever seen. You’d never know it from mainstream media reports, though.
You want data; the Dow Jones Industrial Average closed at a record 14,000+ on Thursday, and at 13,851 yesterday! The jobless Unemployment rate is at 4.5%, which is very low. Interest rates are low, taxes are low.
The Leading Economic Indicators show growth and positive economic health in every area measured. Based on the economy’s performance, this Administration has earned an A+. Especially when you consider that we’re fighting a war on terror in Iraq & Afghanistan and we’re still recovering from the aftereffects of the attacks on 9/11/2001. What more do you want to know?
Your assertion about the deficit is flat out wrong, BJ. As a direct result of the President’s tax cuts, tax revenues are at record levels, which have cut the deficit in half, three years ahead of schedule. Tax receipts have been increased almost 35% since the tax cuts were fully implemented in 2003, which has reduced the deficit by $165 billion, just in the last two years alone. You should get your facts straight, BJ.
Your hatred of this unfairly maligned, honorable President, who has faithfully served this nation for the last 6½ years, has so warped your perspective and clouded your judgment that you’re incapable of making an intelligent assessment of our country’s economy.
You and your liberal cohorts really should give this man his due and stop lying about him and his Administration’s accomplishments. Billy Joe, you look like an imbecile when you make statements like did about the deficit and the national debt. As if I, as a mere conservative, wouldn’t possess any knowledge about that.
Patsy,
I had to rescue that last comment from the spam bin.
Sorry