Global Justice Initiative? Are you Kidding?
by Blake on Jun 15, 2009 at 08:58 Political
The FBI has been quietly re- jiggering the rule of law regarding terrorism, as it has begun to Mirandize terrorists at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan. This is ridiculous, to say the least- the FBI has no business in the middle of a war, and treating combatants as if they were garden variety burglars is asinine- just the completely wrong application of justice.
The FBI and Justice Department plan to significantly expand their role in global counter-terrorism operations, part of a U.S. policy shift that will replace a CIA-dominated system of clandestine detentions and interrogations with one built around transparent investigations and prosecutions.
Under the “global justice” initiative, which has been in the works for several months, FBI agents will have a central role in overseas counter-terrorism cases. They will expand their questioning of suspects and evidence-gathering to try to ensure that criminal prosecutions are an option, officials familiar with the effort said.
Though the initiative is a work in progress, some senior counter-terrorism officials and administration policy-makers envision it as key to the national security strategy President Obama laid out last week — one that presumes most accused terrorists have the right to contest the charges against them in a “legitimate” setting.
The approach effectively reverses a mainstay of the Bush administration’s war on terrorism, in which global counter-terrorism was treated primarily as an intelligence and military problem, not a law enforcement one. That policy led to the establishment of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; harsh interrogations; and detentions without trials.
latimes.com
Treating terrorists with kid gloves is just the wrong approach-we can see how well this worked for Clinton, when he bombed an aspirin factory, thinking it was a terrorist bomb- making center- or the times he misfired trying half- heartedly to get bin Laden. Oooops. His bad. But then, he was kind of occupied at the time with blue dresses and kneepads. The FBI, otherwise known as the feebs, should be concentrating on the tax troubles of all the democrats, but I can understand why the dems want the feebs out of the country- anywhere but near Capital Hill, where there are true criminals. No, instead of leaving overseas operations to the CIA, the FBI is going into unfamiliar territory, which will make their job that much harder.
Regardless of where any bad guy is caught, we want the bureau to be in a position to put charges on them,” the official said, adding that the Bush administration’s emphasis on CIA and military operations often marginalized the FBI — especially when it came to interrogating suspects.
Like others interviewed for this article, the official spoke on the condition of anonymity because no one has been authorized to discuss the initiative publicly. “We have no comment on it at this time,” FBI Assistant Director John J. Miller, the bureau’s chief spokesman, said when asked about the initiative.
latimes.com
The CIA has been marginalized, and wrongfully so- they have been the boots on the ground versus the FBI, who will now have to rely on the CIA’s contacts, and that’s going to hurt the flow of information. All this talk of torture has been a red herring- in the first place it is “enhanced discomfort”, and was used on three people, total. In the second place, these are people who do not play by any set of rules, and if we handicap ourselves, we will lose. I will say this again- We Will Lose. Anybody with a lick of common sense will recognize this fact.
When you go into a fight, you go in to win. If you are fighting fair, you are using a losing strategy. Rules are great for parlor games, and football, but if your opponents are cutting your heads off, it is time to get real.
IA spokesman Paul Gimigliano said the agency would continue to play a central role in interrogations and counter-terrorism operations — using techniques approved by the U.S. Army Field Manual– in conjunction with other U.S. agencies.
Behind the scenes, some intelligence officials are resisting a broader criminal justice role overseas for the FBI, contending that it could inhibit the flow of intelligence if their own agents, or foreign governments, believe top-secret sources and methods might be disclosed during criminal prosecutions.
Two senior U.S. officials said efforts are being made to ensure that intelligence-gathering and law enforcement efforts proceed side by side. They stressed that the CIA and military would continue to play pivotal roles, particularly in gaining strategic intelligence against terrorist groups and thwarting future attacks.
latimes.com
Yes, I am sure, with all the turf wars in the past, that the CIA, the Military, AND the FBI will get along swimmingly. After all, haven’t they always? You know, there is a reason that the CIA is forbidden from domestic operations- the FBI should be forbidden from overseas operations, simply because it makes sense- you have a territorial familiarity that goes along with your principal duties, and I can guarantee that the CIA knows the streets of Kabul much better than the FBI, and should be in the lead.
But that wouldn’t suit Husseins’ New World Order, now would it? I believe it is time to rename Hussein FUBAR- because this is what he wants to do with our country,
Next, he’ll send Andy Griffith and Barney to Pakistan- oh joy.
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Tags: CIA, FBI, foolishness, Terrorism
I prefer to call him الرئيس أوباما…because his name and “honorific” doesn’t deserve to be written in English!
BLK: “When you go into a fight, you go in to win. If you are fighting fair, you are using a losing strategy.”>>
DAR
It’s a law enforcement issue.
You don’t use a bulldozer to kill roaches.
You know who loved Bush’s overreach and disastrous invasion of a non-involved muslim country? Bin Laden. Great for recruitment. And a tremendous drain on American resources and lives. This is specifically what Bin Laden said he wanted to do in his letter (bankrupt America like he did the Soviets in Afghanistan), and it was amazing to watch Bush fall for it hook line and sinker. Time to change course and not follow the losing Bin Laden game plan anymore.
Note the cost:
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Economist Stiglitz Says Iraq War Costs May Reach $5 Trillion
March 1 (Bloomberg) — Nobel economics laureate Joseph Stiglitz, author of a new book that claims the Iraq war will cost the U.S. more than $3 trillion, said the final tally is likely to climb much higher than that.
“It’s much more like five trillion,” Stiglitz said yesterday in an interview with Bloomberg Radio. “We were trying to make Americans understand how expensive this war was…”…
“This war is the first war ever that’s been totally financed by borrowing, by deficits,” said Stiglitz, a professor at Columbia University in New York. “Because we haven’t raised taxes, because we’ve tried to pretend this war is for free, we’ve been skimping on our treatment of veterans.”
“Bills from the Iraq war will pile up for decades to come as the government spends hundreds of billions of dollars providing medical care and disability benefits to about 70,000 soldiers injured in the conflict, he said.
The government also will have to pay back with interest money it borrowed to finance the war, which will drive total costs higher,…”
Bloomberg
DAR
Most people have no concept of a “trillion.” Try this:
Three trillion American dollars, laid end to end, would stretch the 90+ million miles from the earth to the sun, and then back to the earth and then to the Sun once again and then there would still be several million miles of dollars left over.
Light travels approximately 187,000 miles per second (7.5 times around the earth). The sun is so far away it takes over eight minutes for light to travel to the earth.
Note also:
“it’s worth comparing… the cost estimates Bush officials bandied about before the war began. The authors present a damning “Nightline” transcript in which one official, Andrew Natsios, blandly told Ted Koppel that Iraq could be completely reconstructed for only $1.7 billion. (With the war now costing $12.5 billion a month, Natsios’ estimate would have been accurate if he had stipulated that it would pay for four days’ worth of reconstruction. Which, considering the delusional nature of most of the Bush administration’s pre-invasion estimates, may have been how long it thought it would take to rebuild the country.) Other officials settled on a figure of $50 billion to $60 billion. Larry Lindsey, Bush’s economic advisor, went way out on a limb, suggesting that the war might cost $200 billion — a figure derided by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld as “baloney.” Rumsfeld refused even to offer a range of estimates, saying, “I’ve already decided that. It’s not useful.” He was right: It would not have been useful for those ginning up support for a war to predict that it might cost $3 trillion.”
“Iraq [will be] the second most expensive war in U.S. history, trailing only World War II, which cost an adjusted $5 trillion (and in which 16.3 million Americans served in the armed forces, with 400,000 dying).”
LINK
D.
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“If we don’t stop extending our troops all around the world in nation-building missions, then we’re going to have a serious problem coming down the road. I’m going to prevent that.”
–Bush v Gore debate, October 3, 2000
I did not say they were going about it right- I would prefer small squads rather than huge battalions- as far as prisoners- Why?
This way they are a NON issue- they just cease to exist.
That works for me.
Oh,a law enforcement “issue”- no, its a problem, and law enforcement will not solve this. Do not be ignorant of life. Not everyone goes by the rule of law in this world, and their laws are not ours, their beliefs are not ours, nor will they ever be.
terrorists prisoners should have the right to be shot!
no prisoners no problem
You see, this is but a step towards losing our sovereignty to a “One World Government”, where our laws are secondary to the laws of, say, the UN- I pray I am dead before that comes about, because anarchy will soon follow, or such repression as has never before been seen.
Stalin is smiling in his grave right now.
I hope you live to see it Blake. What a glorious day it will be!
D.
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“Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace”
–Imagine, nightmare scenario song, by John Lennon
It could never happen- that’s reality.