How Obama Should Have Treated Ramadan Celebration
by Big Dog on Aug 21, 2010 at 08:30 Political
Barack Hussein Obama recently stepped in a pile of manure when he clearly stated the right of Muslims to worship and to build a mosque in Manhattan. The uproar over this was almost immediate and while many on the left will blame the uproar on the right, the left has quite a few people who were not happy with Obama’s pronouncement. Many Democrat politicians were taken by surprise which is understandable since Obama’s mouthpieces have been saying that the issue was a local one.
It was not a local issue once Obama made his announcement. And that is when the trouble began. Obama made the issue a national one and even though he tried to walk back his comments by insulting our intelligence, he was unable to close the floodgates.
Obama blew this one big time. What he should have done is treated Ramadan like he did the National Day of Prayer. If he had issued a proclamation and observed it quietly in his own way he would not have these problems.
I know many folks think Obama canceled the NDP but he did not. He issued a proclamation and then he observed it quietly. He did not have a meal with religious people and he did not do anything special like he did with the Muslims and their celebration of Ramadan.
If Obama had treated Ramadan with the same indifference with which he treated the NDP then he would not have made his now infamous “I support the Mosque” gaffe and his Democrats would not be killing themselves to put distance between them and the statement.
See what happens when they take his teleprompter away…
Cave Canem!
Never surrender, never submit.
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Tags: mosque, national day of prayer, Obama, Ramadan
I’m with you- this way, he only exacerbated the “rumors” of hiz muslimness- he’s been on his knees to the muslims more than Monica was with Bubba.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
Three Things About Islam
Very interesting especially #3 “Muslims are encouraged to lie to non-muslims if it advances Islam and Sharia.” Reminds me of what a liar we have in the White House.
Big Dog:
I find it hilarious that you’d compare the National Day of Prayer to Ramadan. Obama has promoted the actual Christian holy days more than he has promoted Ramadan.
Blake:
Yes, clearly Obama’s support for Muslims just fuels rumors that he is a secret Muslim. This is kind of like how Bush’s support for Israel fueled rumors that he was a Jew just pretending to be a Christian, right?
I like watching all the arguments against the Park51 Community Center fall apart so the world can see the opposition for what it it really is: A bunch of bigots.
I like how Adam once again plays games and misdirects to support his holy master. A bigot would have something against a group of people and say they had no right to build. People who oppose this say they have the right but that they should not build it there where it offends so many people. Move it farther away. No, Adam is truly the Alinsky boy trying to make things that re not. Of course you would find things funny, you are clueless. And supported so many holidays? The truth, he openly celebrated Ramadan and quietly celebrated the NDB. He did not have a Nativity scene at the WH. He has been scrubbing the Christian ones down while building the Muslim ones. Open your eyes.
Harry Reid, a bigot? I am opposed to Muslims building Mosques anywhere where they had a hand in causing destruction. They build Mosques where they have conquered. If they want to build it someplace else, fine but not there.
It is not about diversity and coming together. If it were they would not oppose the gay bar someone wants to build. I do wonder why the Catholic chusrch that sat there prior to the attack has not been allowed to rebuild.
I also think if it is a cultural center and not a Mosque the religon idea goes away and there is no First Amendment issue.
No Adam, people are not bigots. They are offended and the Muslims are the ones who are intolerant and who do not respect the feelings of others.
But you keep screaming it in Alinsky fashion. Maybe someone will believe you. And most people feel that it is legal but not a good thing to do (excepting that NY did not follow its own rules when deciding on allowing it) and this is what Obama claims tohave meant (he did not mean it that way). If we take him at his word, is he not a bigot under your definition?
There is no evidence of bigotry in the opposition to the Cordoba Project. Seriously, do you have ANY proof to back up that mindless charge?
Only a fool would ignore the implication of naming the WTC mosque after Islam’s great victory over the Spanish.
First, it is not at ground zero and it is not a mosque. Park51 is a Islamic community center that contains a mosque along with many other things.
Second, it was renamed from Cordoba House to Park51 after opposition because the name was not intended to project the image some said it did.
Feel free to continue listing reasons you oppose the project. Maybe one of them might end up based in reality.
There were victims of 9/11 who fell over 400 yards. Their vaporized remains cover the whole of lower Manhattan. The Muslims who killed them were predominantly from Saudi Arabia.
The Ground Zero Mosque is to be 70 yards from where the Twin Towers fell. A piece of one of the aircraft hit the building that stood there. The ashes of 9/11 victims fell on that site.
Imam Rauf himself is on record as supporting both violent jihad and stealth jihad. He has described the Ground Zero Mosque as “iconic” precisely because of its location so close to Ground Zero. A great part of the funding is to come from Saudi Arabia.
Finally, this supposedly dialogue-promoting project will contain a mosque, but neither a Christian chapel nor a Jewish synagogue.
You lose.
(Next up: Should the Japanese build a Shinto shrine next to the USS Arizona?)
How about we build a Christian chapel or Jewish synagogue in Mecca or Medina?
Yes, if they want to promote dialogue then they should start in Saudia Arabia. When they can get a Church or Synagogue built there then they have accomplished something…
“Imam Rauf himself is on record as supporting both violent jihad and stealth jihad.”
I’d love to see proof of that.
If it is not a Mosque then there is no First Amendment issue and they have no religious right to build it there and all the arguments used to justify building it there are moot. And it is part of the footprint of GZ. It is where the landing gear struck the building. It is where the WYC came crashing down. It is where other businesses have not been able to build.
And you can rename a turd a rose but it still smells like a turd. They can claim that they did not mean for it to mean that but they are allowed to lie to advance Islam.
Keep defending people you know nothing about based on your limited view of the world and limited knowledge. One day when they have you bent over with a knife to your throat you can tell them how much you supported their mission.
I will pay money to help build he Muslim gay bar next to it. Any problem with that bar Adam?
Oh gee, do you really think it was an accident that the original name was “Cordoba House”?
What about your racism charge, any proof? Or are you projecting your own lack of reality in your nonsensical reply?
Adam sees racism and bigotry in everything that does not match his world view except when liberals are being racists and bigots. Then he has excuses.
“The truth, he openly celebrated Ramadan and quietly celebrated the NDB. He did not have a Nativity scene at the WH. He has been scrubbing the Christian ones down while building the Muslim ones. Open your eyes.”
There was a Nativity scene. Obama also openly celebrated Easter and Christmas. NDP is not a holy day. Before you tell me to open my eyes you try checking your facts.
“I am opposed to Muslims building Mosques anywhere where they had a hand in causing destruction.”
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“One day when they have you bent over with a knife to your throat you can tell them how much you supported their mission.”
The Muslims who seek to build a community center near the site of the attack are in no way connected to the evil terrorists that carried out 9/11. You can pretend otherwise but you’re only being a bigot.
“I will pay money to help build he Muslim gay bar next to it. Any problem with that bar Adam?”
No problem here. Feel free to waste your money on yet another foolish conservative cause.
“How about we build a Christian chapel or Jewish synagogue in Mecca or Medina?”
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“When they can get a Church or Synagogue built there then they have accomplished something…”
I can’t for the life of me figure out how any of you can think that is somehow a relevant argument.
For those sane folks reading this you may note that to counter my suggestion that those opposed to Park51 are bigots, the conservatives on this site made more bigoted statements.
They want us to believe that Islam itself is to blame for 9/11 and that Muslims a world away in New York have to answer for the actions of the tiny, tiny faction of Islam with a backwards and evil world view.
They want to lie about the Muslim leaders in New York to try and connect them to that terrorism or to claim they support terror because they somehow weren’t sufficiently outraged by the events of 9/11.
It’s all a big pack of lies and they hide behind the victims and events of 9/11 to justify their bigotry. It’s sad and pathetic.
For those sane folks who read this realize that Adam calls things bigoted and racist on a whim and has no idea what those things really are. No one is saying the Muslims have no right to build a building we are questioning where they want to build it. Our position is no different than the one Obama tried to portray and that people like Adam support. We are not bigots. We just read and listen to the words of the person behind this and realize he said we had responsibility for 9/11 and he has said he wants Sharia law in America. Adam would bend at the knee in subservience but people with spines will not.
Build the thing someplace else. But, as Adam has said, this is not a Mosque so the First Amendment does not apply. I wonder, would it be OK for the KKK to build a diversity center in Harlem or is it all right for the Nazis to build a diversity center next to the Holocaust Museum? Please Adam, tell us if it is OK. Is it OK to build things that are offensive or insensitive as long as we claim diversity and open dialogue?
Folks, Adam sees racists and bigots in his sleep. He was raised that way. It is a knee jerk reaction which is quite amazing considering the lack of spine…
Yea, that’s right Adam, side with all the politicians and media who are calling American citizens and families of the victims of the largest attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, bigots and racists. The factory in question was hit and paritally destroyed in the attack that killed nearly 3,000 infidels in the name of Allah. You know they are laughing in the Middle East at Americans who are too stupid to see what an “in your face” act this is and believe me you are one of the stupid ones.
I wonder if Harry Reid is a bigot? Adam, Adam, Adam, Bueller….
Or Obama who questioned the wisdom of putting the thing there…
Just keep on hiding behind the victims of 9/11 to justify your bigotry and your failure to recognize the difference between the 99.99% of Muslims in the world that are not radicals or terrorists.
“We just read and listen to the words of the person behind this and realize he said we had responsibility for 9/11…”
This is what Rauf said:
So what is so controversial about the idea that US policies were partially responsible for 9/11? You’ve said it yourself dozens of times when you’ve blamed 9/11 on the actions (or inaction) of Clinton. Let’s see what you’ve said yourself:
“…and he has said he wants Sharia law in America.”
Rauf has said the US Constitution is already compliant with Sharia but you’d have to find me a source where he said he “wants Sharia law in America.”
“I wonder, would it be OK for the KKK to build a diversity center in Harlem or is it all right for the Nazis to build a diversity center next to the Holocaust Museum?”
Here you go again being a bigot. You are still insisting the Muslims in New York are the same as terrorists that murdered Americans on 9/11. They’re not the same.
“I wonder if Harry Reid is a bigot?”
His floundering is partisan and political just like Dean. Your opposition is due to the the fact that you can’t see the difference between one tiny group of evil people and the millions of other Muslims around the world that have no ties or support for terrorism.
Obviously you think you can continue to scream bigot and it will stick. Little fella, you are wrong. No one is saying that these people caused 9/11 or that they are responsible for 9/11. People said it is insensitive to put the building where they want it. AND THAT IS ALL NUMBNUTS.
Of course, Reid and Dean are just partisan and political but the 70% (from all parties mind you) who oppose this are bigots.
Not going to happen Adam. You are not going to call people here bigots because they do not agree with your lollipop and rainbow view of the world.
And of course your moronic brain got it all wrong. You claim that this guy said we were responsible for 9/11 and is no different than me saying Clinton was responsible. Let me help you. This guy is saying our policies were responsible for this. In other words, since Islamic radicals did not like our policies it was OK to murder innocent civilians.
I, on the other hand, said that since Bill Clinton did not attack them when he has the chance he emboldened them to attack us. This is very different. I in no way said our policies were responsible for this and I would never say that innocent Americans deserved to die because of our policies.
A person with brains would know the difference between the two statements. But to help you once more, the terrorist said our policies led to this and I said since we were weak they attacked us.
And no, I am not equating Muslims in NY with the KKK or Nazis, I am equating the radical Imam with them. As for what he said about the Constitution, BS. Muzzies will say anything and are allowed to lie to advance Islam. How exactly is our Constitution Sharia compliant? Where in that document does it deny free speech, freedom of religion, and where does it say that women are to be treated as second class citizens? If you think the Constitution is Sharia compliant because this terrorist said so then you need to burka up your wife and tell her to walk behind you and shut up.
If he believes what he is saying then we have a real problem.
Yes, it is OK to lie to advance Islam. Why did he change the title of this book?
Perhaps because he was hiding his true intentions.
The area they want to put the building is a business district and has few Muslims living there. There are plenty of other places to built it that would better serve the Muslim community. They insist on putting it in a place many Americans consider Hallowed Ground. Why do you suppose that is? If they truly believe in dialogue and all that multicultural stuff they claim then why build it when 70% of the population opposes it? What kind of dialogue will happen in this case.
How do you suppose they would feel if a Jew opened a Kosher slaughter house next to any mosque and they had pigs there to slaughter?
I bet if the Jews wanted to build a house of worship across the street the Muslims would fight to keep it from happening, in the name of dialogue of course.
This guy says we are compliant through convoluted logic. He then tells how we could score higher and how there is room for Sharia law within our Constitution. Read it in his book. I think it is in chapter 3.
“Of course, Reid and Dean are just partisan and political but the 70% (from all parties mind you) who oppose this are bigots.”
Don’t get me wrong. I’m sure you can find many politicians on the right that oppose for partisan reasons. You and the other conservatives writing on this site are bigots. You’ve made that much clear by your statements.
“I in no way said our policies were responsible for this and I would never say that innocent Americans deserved to die because of our policies.”
Rauf also did not say anyone deserved to die either so I guess you two agree: 911 was result of US actions.
“And no, I am not equating Muslims in NY with the KKK or Nazis, I am equating the radical Imam with them.”
The Imam is not radical and only fabricated information and out of context quotes would make someone think otherwise. The frothing batch of crazy wing nuts that have made this a big issue should be ashamed of themselves for smearing Rauf.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/08/explosive-in-faisals-own-words.html
GROUND ZERO MOSQUE IMAM FEISAL’S EXTREMISM EXPOSED