Now Franken Wants To Ignore The Voters
by Big Dog on Jan 13, 2009 at 05:40 Political
When Democrats are losing then every vote must count. When the race is close, every vote must count and they always vow not to stop until every last vote is tallied so that the will of the people will not be ignored. They maintain that position until the Democratic candidate takes a lead and then they want the counting stopped, certificates signed, and everyone to go home.
This is what Al Franken is up to. The recount in Minnesota was automatically triggered because of the margin of Norm Coleman’s victory. Then all kinds of hanky panky started. Franken demanded that rejected absentee ballots be counted if they were rejected erroneously. But, not in areas where Coleman would have an advantage. The Wall Street Journal listed about a dozen hinky things that took place and others have pointed out how it is nearly impossible for one candidate to benefit at such a high rate. Top this off with votes that were “found” and there is a problem. Democrats are good at stealing elections. They tried in 2000 and many of the tactics used by Franken were used by Gore in Florida. The donks have just gotten better after honing their skills in Washington state by pulling the same shenanigans.
A recount is supposed to count the ballots cast on election day. It is not a chance to add more that were “found” or to argue over rejected ballots. If the race had been won (by either candidate) by a large margin then neither of the candidates would have worried about the votes. They were rejected for whatever reason which means they were not counted. Recount means to count again so if they were never counted, how can they be counted again?
Franken is not content with what is now taking place. That would be Coleman’s attempt to ensure that all votes really are counted and that they are counted only once. Coleman, exercising his right, has filed suit in court challenging the results based upon the irregularities in the recount. He would like some explanation as to how certain places registered more votes than the number of people who showed up to vote. It is little things like that which tweaks Coleman and his legal team.
Franken started out wanting every vote to count but now that he and his buddies have cheated enough to give him the lead, and he has been declared the winner, he wants to stop. Coleman had seven days to file his suit contesting the recount and he did just that. Minnesota law says that a certificate cannot be issued until the matter, including the court challenges, are resolved. Franken does not like that idea and he wants to have a signed certificate so he can get to DC and do the people’s business. He said that it is not right the state is only represented by one Senator with so much important stuff going on.
Is there anyone who believes that Franken would feel this way if Coleman had 200 more votes and was declared the winner? Franken would not care about there only being one Senator and he would be challenging the results as well as saying “hell no” to giving Coleman a signed certificate.
Franken needs that certificate before the court gets a chance to look into things. Once he is seated the court would be reluctant to say that things were wrong and he needed to come home. If he is not certified the court can more objectively look into the matter and see where the misdeeds were done. Franken does not want to get caught up in that.
Remember, these are Democrats, they have no spine. This is particularly true for Franken who is a twit that likes to attack people and talk tough. But, he is from that group of people that knows how to steal elections. All votes must count unless they are votes for the Republican. If it is in any way shape or form a vote for a Republican it must be lost, stolen, challenged or otherwise not counted. But all votes must count for Democrats. This is the group that routinely disenfranchises the military. They are always trying to discount the votes of the men and women who protect that very right.
However, they will go to great lengths to ensure convicted felons, illegal aliens, and other people not so entitled, get to vote. The Democratic party is such strong advocates of voting that they even ensure the non living get to vote. Yep, there are lots and lots of dead voters on the Democratic rolls. What most Americans call obituaries, Democrats call voter rolls.
ACORN, George Soros, and the culture of corruption have combined to steal this victory for Franken and he wants to get out of town before things get hot.
Funny how they always talk about the rule of law and all votes counting but then they want to ignore the rule of law when it opposes them. Reid wanted to seat Franken and Franken wants the signed certificate even though obtaining it would violate state law (Franken asserts that federal law trumps the state but I don’t think so in this case).
In any event, the governor has denied Franken’s request to usurp the law and now it is Franken who might sue to get the certificate. Why should he worry about the law when he broke it to win?
It is a mess in Minnesota and the only fair way to sort it out would be to hold another election. Since it is a fair way the Democrats would never go for it.
I really hate that guy but I am sure he will end up winning. I only hope he is as good a Senator as he was a comedian. In that case he will suck very badly. The people of Minnesota deserve that for almost electing him and the Democrats in the Senate deserve the jackass for supporting him.
Source:
Wall Street Journal
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Tags: al franken, crime, democrats cheating, norm coleman, stolen election
You’re a little late in citing the WSJ piece since it’s been discredited by several sources since it was published including this post.
I like how Joe Conason put it over at Salon: “Al Franken stole the election? Prove it or shut up.”
Where is the evidence? An opinion piece in the WSJ? The word of right wing radio dummies? Simply hating Democrats and Al Franken seems to be all the evidence you have…
Greetings, Big Dog !
This is a rather rambling dissertation of many “urban legends” that even if cited by the Wall Street Journal can be false.
Before I address just some of your comments, the one fact that no one is talking about is that an incumbent Senator was rejected by 58% of the voters.
Yes, it was close, but if the MN-GOP had stood strongly behind Coleman instead of advocating throwing Coleman under the bus he should have won. Remember Coleman was one of those breakaway Republican Senators that opposed drilling in ANWR, supported carbon tax, supported the Farm Bill, supported the Wall Street bailout, etc. and was a Democrat until he realized that the path to political advancement was easier in the Republican field.
Now, to the election itself. In reality, Minnesota will never know who the clear winner was since there over 12,000 absentee ballots that were rejected. Some were rejected for “valid” reasons … while some were rejected for “questionable” reasons … and lastly some should never have been rejected. The last group is the group that has been added back in. IMO, that is proper even based on your definition of a “recount”.
Both campaigns have had opportunities to challenge and remove ballots. In the last group the Coleman campaign opted to keep 175 ballots out of the Senate count. In one instance, the Coleman campaign rejected 59 ballots from a single precinct keeping only one … and those rejected including an election judge that voted for Coleman. That doesn’t sound arbitrary … that sounds like they suspect that the precinct would be more favorable to Franken, so reject them all. Did people that are ineligible try to vote … yes … once again a Coleman supporter. Nobody is clean in this, but let’s not assume that Coleman is innocent.
If you read the Coleman’s lawsuit, he has identified 22 precincts where they have concerns … the only remedy would be to disregard those votes … considering that a typical precinct would have a thousand voters, that is a lot of disenfranchised voters.
Coleman should prevail on the question of missing ballots but that only nets him 46 votes.
If anything, Coleman has tried to keep more ballots from being counted than Franken. I suspect that if all the absentee ballots were considered that Franken’s margin would increase.
Sorry, but don’t blame Franken … blame Coleman. IF the Democrats had offered a candidate that was not so terribly flawed as Franken, it would not have been close.
I am not saying Coleman is the best candidate and don’t care who wins despite Adam’s assertion that if it is a liberal I am against it (though that is usually the case).
I think there needs to be a transparent process. The pieces cited do not prove or disprove the case. That is what the court is for and they will decide but we have seen the mysterious ballots appear time and again. Unsecured, in someone’s trunk or back seat.
I only want a process that is clean and the best way to do that is with a new election.
It is amazing that the people who cried that Bush stole an election are condoning what is going on. And yes, despite the dozen or so recounts that show Bush won, libs still cry that he stole an election.
Also, don’t forget that a third candidate was there. If it is between the two Coleman wins.
I also never assumed he was innocent. But, the rules are the rules and if it is a RECOUNT then the votes originally counted should be recounted. The court should decide on the rest. If it was not cast on election day then don’t “recount” it.
What you’re saying about the recount goes contrary to state law so it really doesn’t mean much. The recount was very transparent. I don’t know where you get the idea it wasn’t. The only votes added to the originals were agreed upon by both sides or settled in court and the entire process was streamed live for people to watch. There were some rumors about “found” votes in trunks and such at the beginning but these were debunked everywhere but inside the conservative echo-chamber apparently. Franken won the recount, get over it.
I have not seen the multitude of debuners. I have heard serious allegations and they need to be investigated.
As for getting over it, which part of I don’t care who people in Minnesota elect to represent them are you having trouble with. It makes no real difference to me in another state and there is nothing to get over but…
I want to NOW see you write out that Bush won in 2000 and you have gotten over it. Otherwise, keep your get over it comments to yourself because they only show you to be a hypocrite.
Write it now or you have no standing to talk about it.
big dog obvioulsy didn’t fall for the ‘liberal’ stream -viewable by anyone with an Internet connection – that showed them counting disputed ballots.
As for the rest of the points raised above, big dog plans to jam his fingers in his ears as he screams ‘la-la-la-la-la!’ so as not to puncture the fiction he and his delusional wingnut friends have constructed around the Minnesota election.
Yeah, I am sure you could see every little ballot and every little mark on that stream.
Just because it was on the stream does not mean it was up and up. How many people watching even know the law?
A close and contested 2008 Senate election in Minnesota doesn’t even come close to the irregularities from Florida in 2000, so don’t kid yourself.