Pay Your Taxes
by Big Dog on Apr 18, 2011 at 04:36 Political
Move On has a misleading post at its website that comes from Socialist Bernie Sanders and it is a list of the top ten companies that paid no taxes last year. I do not know if the companies paid taxes but if they did not then they worked within the tax guidelines set into law by Congress, of which Sanders is a member. If they paid no taxes because of the tax laws then this happened because of Sanders and the rest of the people in Congress who have given us a cumbersome and unfair tax system.
The misleading part comes in the introduction where Move On starts by indicating; “Come April 15, everybody ponies up their fair share, right?”
This is patently false but is designed to turn people against the big evil companies that paid no taxes. The lie comes in the question about everyone ponying up their fair share. The reality is that not everyone ponies up a fair share. The bottom 50% of taxpayers pay 3% of the taxes and most of the folks in the bottom 50% not only don’t pay taxes but, because of tax credits, they get money back. That is correct, they get all that they paid in during the year AND THEN SOME. If Sanders is looking for freeloaders then why does he not start with the millions of Americans who not only pay no taxes but get more back then they ever paid in? Why does he not worry about the billions of dollars we are losing 1) because people are not paying any taxes and 2) because taxpayer money is being redistributed to them rather than going to pay our bills?
While Sanders cries about corporations that paid no taxes (and the truth to that is yet to be seen) 45% of households paid NO income taxes in 2010. How can he be looking for freeloaders without looking at that 45%?
The wealthy in this country pay most of the taxes and though they have paid less in recent years everyone has paid less. That is, those who actually pay taxes have paid less. Those who pay no taxes actually make out in the deal because our government has made the IRS a big government wealth redistribution center where those who pay taxes send it to the government where the IRS takes it and redistributes it to those who paid nothing giving them a net increase.
If people like Sanders are concerned about the tax situation in this country then why don’t they sit down and make a serious effort to fix it so that it is fair and equitable to all and so that everyone pays a fair share?
The tax breaks for companies can be removed and the corporate tax rate reduced. The IRS can be eliminated by having a flat tax of 11% across the board for every person who earns income. MAKE EVERYONE PAY.
This would have to come with a rule forbidding Congress from raising the rates unless 75% of the House and Senate voted on it. While we are at it we could get a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution to force Congress to live within its means.
There are plenty of things that can be done to fix the broken system and set us on the path to prosperity.
One thing that is of no help is for people like Socialist Sanders to cry about companies not paying their fair share when they follow the rules people like Sanders implemented all the while ignoring the nearly 50% of workers who not only pay no taxes but get someone else’s money to boot.
The class warfare crap is no longer going to work. We will not sit around and listen to members of Congress whine about people who follow the very rules that Congress laid out.
Make it fair for everyone because the workers who pay taxes are tired of people piling on for our money while Congress pecks at our wallets like buzzards on roadkill.
Cave Canem!
Never surrender, never submit.
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Tags: bernie sanders, corporate rates, freeloaders, lies, morons, move on, socialist, taxes
Your side uses income taxes to pretend the poor aren’t paying any taxes and are therefore not paying their “fair share” or something. Yet, the effective rate for all taxes (not just income tax) paints a different picture:
* 1st 20%: 16.2%
* 2nd 20%: 20.7%
* 3rd 20%: 25.1%
* 4th 20%: 28.5%
* 5th 20%: 30.0%
The poor pay little in taxes? The rich pay most of the taxes? No surprise. The poor earn little money and the poor make the most. I’m not sure why you always have to spin reality into a picture of unfairness.
Once again you use the liberal ploy of deception. We are discussing FEDERAL income tax. How many times does this need to be pointed out? The linked article talks about FEDERAL taxes which is what we are all in the game for. State taxes DO NOT COUNT. People have a choice on what state to live (and many high tax state and local governments are liberal) but we must all live in the country. Some states have taxes, some high, some low and some none at all. The burden of state government does not fit into the argument because the state taxes one state collects is not sent to another state to be spent by people there.
Federal taxes are collected from all over and then sent to states so people who earn money from one state are paying for people in another.
It was a nice try by you but it was absolutely wrong. IThis chart you present only discusses what percent of income is paid in as taxes. Now try to find one that shows what the net is after they file. I linked to it. 45% of them pay NO FEDERAL taxes. They actually get more money back than they ever pay in and that does not bother you. It is income redistribution. They do not earn it, it is taken from one person and given to them. And that is wrong.
And the share of the taxes falls heavily upon the upper percentages and you want to take more. The reality is those folks do not owe anyone anything, they do not owe the lower wage earners and have been carrying them for years. The bottom is consuming far more than they pay in. Here it is again, a FLAT FEDERAL tax for everyone so we all carry the same burden.
You liberals want a fair playing field then let’s make it a fair one for all wage earners and level it so those at the bottom pay the same percent as those at the top. 11% from all wage earners. That would be $11 for every 100 earned and that is fair for all.
Come on liberals, you want a level playing field so let’s level it.
And more on taxes:
“[I]n 2009, Obama took itemized deductions of $514,819, a foreign tax credit of $59,372, and a deduction for interest on his home of $52,195. He was also able to take a deduction for $49,000 he contributed to his self-employed retirement fund. If he had not taken these deductions, he would have paid taxes on an additional $675,386, which in his income bracket would have meant he owed somewhere in the neighborhood of $200,000 more in taxes at the top marginal tax rate of 35 percent. Furthermore, he instructed the Nobel committee to donate his entire $1.4 million Nobel Prize directly to 10 charities, thereby avoiding the necessity of declaring the money as income on which he would have owed an additional $490,000 in taxes. If the president is so appalled at the rich and their ability to hire accountants to take advantage of each and every deduction, why doesn’t he simply take the standard deduction on his tax return, like most Americans?” –columnist Linda Chavez
Those evil rich people skirt the tax system. Obama should be ashamed of himself. Why did he NOT pay HIS fair share?
Of course, the reason Sanders does this is to continue class warfare. The more people he can get paying zero taxes, the more people he will have voting for him and his socialist buddies. After all, Sanders is giving people a choice: do nothing, and I’ll make sure you get some cash, or work hard and you’ll be punished because I’ll take the money you earn. Sadly, more and more people are taking the first option.
Absolutely, it is the liberal playbook. Most of them have no idea what it is like to work and be independent of government and they think that people are unable to do for themselves and must have help. This country did quite well without government interfering in people’s lives long before FDR and his Socialist pals brought us progressive programs that sent us on a path to massive debt and a dependent class, one that Sanders needs in order to justify his existence.
“We are discussing FEDERAL income tax.”
Right. Because the only way you can paint so many poor people as freeloaders is to ignore regressive state and local taxes and hammer them for paying no income taxes since they earn almost no income.
“They actually get more money back than they ever pay in and that does not bother you.”
No, not in the least. It’s thanks to things like EITC that were passed and strengthened by Republicans back when the party was not controlled by a bunch of magical tax cutting, corporate loving clowns like today.
“Here it is again, a FLAT FEDERAL tax for everyone so we all carry the same burden.”
We don’t need to carry the same tax burden because some Americans already are burdened more by earning little pay and paying regressive state and local taxes. A progressive tax scale helps increase the purchasing power of the lower income brackets. You like to focus on percentages and number values but you’re not considering purchasing power whatsoever.
The federal taxes pay for the nation, state taxes pay for the state and those folks pay little or no federal taxes. Most of them have a negative tax burden. If you do not make enough money then get an education and learn a trade to eran more money. If your (probably liberal) state taxes you to death then move to one that does not. people have that option.
The people who get taxpayer money for doing nothing (EITC and other tax credits) are the recipients of a big government redistribution scheme.
If everyone pays his fair share (that is what you guys want) then people will start to pay attention to how money is spent. Right now these folks do not care because they get “free” money. To them it is a vote for the person who will give them something.
You can equate the federal tax burden to the state but they are totally different. If your state taxes too much then you can move. If the country taxes too much you can’t move. however, many wealthy people move that wealth out because of the regressive federal taxes.
You complain about regressive state and local taxes but are OK with regressive federal taxes.
A flat tax would spread the burden and would help us pay the bills much better than trying to tax the rich. If you took all the money of people making more than 100k a year we could fund the government for about 8 months. Then there would be no more because you took all their money. Cut corporate tax rates and close the loopholes (that Congress loves) and make the system fair. This would encourage job growth and then more working people would be paying taxes instead of sucking from the teat.
I know you think you are entitled to the money someone else makes but you are not. And neither are those who get money back when they paid nothing in.
From when America ran better and paid its debt (and before the income tax):
“To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.” –Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, 1816
“You complain about regressive state and local taxes but are OK with regressive federal taxes.”
Which federal taxes are regressive? You find me one and I’ll tell you I probably oppose it.
The entire federal system is regressive. It punishes work and rewards those who don’t.
That is not what progressive or regressive refers to so I don’t see how the argument matters. Federal income tax is a progressive tax in that those who earn less pay less of a percentage than those who pay more. You can call it regressive for whatever reason but that’s a different topic.
The right sure does love to lie about who pays what taxes. Here’s Michele Bachmann lying again. Surprise. That’s all she ever does.
The state taxes are no different than the federal taxes. In my state it is tiered so if the state is regressive so is the federal. The only thing that progresses in federal taxes is how the rats progress up if you earn more. Society does not progress and the government does not get more money. Under Bush and Reagan, the rich paid more taxes after tax cuts.
As for Bachmann and any others, they tell the truth. It is you and the rets of the liberals who somehow think it is a burden for people to have a negative tax rate and for them to get more back thean they pay in. It is you who can’t understand that the top few percentage of earners pay the lion’s share of taxes.
It is you who fail to see that 45% of people pay no income tax. WE ARE TALKING FEDERAL. To make it clear so you can’t confuse the issue.
It is your side who fails to realize that if you want fairness and a level playing field then we should all be paying federal taxes, that the rich can’t foot the bill and if you want the wealth to pay for it then you need to increase taxes on the middle class because that is where most of the money is.
Bachmann is correct and the lying taxing and spending liberals are wrong.
It has been shown time and again but you all manipulate numbers and lie about what they really are.
It is quite sad, really.
“As for Bachmann and any others, they tell the truth.”
Except for all the instances when they’re caught flat out telling whoppers, right? Bachman state that the top 1 percent of income-earners pay about 40 percent of all taxes into the federal government. She lied. She does exactly as you do. She says “pay taxes” when what she means is “pay income taxes.”
“The state taxes are no different than the federal taxes.”
Except that the rich pay more income taxes than the poor pay. That’s progressive. The poor pay more state and local taxes than the wealthy. That’s regressive. I’m not spinning some liberal crap here. It’s simple definitions.
Once again, you have difficulty grasping the concept of states and the federal government being different entities. States like Florida and Texas have no income taxes and would welcome people who wish to move there. We can’t really move away from federal taxes. 2008 data shows the top 1% paid 38% of the taxes. She is a FEDERAL politician and she is talking about FEDERAL taxes. I know you have problems differentiating but try to pay attention. He concern is with FEDERAL taxes.
Funny, she clearly discusses FEDERAL taxes and you call her a liar but you do all kinds of contortions to defend Obama on his lies.
The rich pay more because the poor pay none, they have a net negative tax rate because so many get money that is not their and to which they are not entitled. If they want more money they should get a better education and get a better job. They can do lots of things, or not but either way it is not the duty of the people who make it to take care of them.
Try to figure the difference between state and federal taxes. Figure out why the states with low or no taxes do well and why we have tough times when taxes are high and we get more money when they are low. Figure out why it is that the rich pay more in taxes when their rates go down.
I know it is tough for you because you think what others own belongs to someone else. Your idea of fairness is to put your hands in someone else’s pockets. I get it but that does not make it right.
And when Bachmann said all taxes she likely misspoke and meant federal. I know you gave Obama a pass on his 57 states comment. Was he telling a whopper or did he flat out tell a whopper?