Republicans Must Save Country From Slavery, Again
by Big Dog on Dec 7, 2009 at 18:59 Political
It looks like Harry Reid is cracking up under all the pressure being put on him to get a health care bill passed. Combine that pressure with his diminishing chance for reelection and it all adds up to a crack-up. Today, Reid compared Republicans’ resistance to the health care legislation to those who opposed the ending of slavery in this country.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid took his GOP-blasting rhetoric to a new level Monday, comparing Republicans who oppose health care reform to lawmakers who clung to the institution of slavery more than a century ago.
The Nevada Democrat, in a sweeping set of accusations on the Senate floor, also compared health care foes to those who opposed women’s suffrage and the civil rights movement — even though it was Sen. Strom Thurmond, then a Democrat, who unsuccessfully tried to filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and it was Republicans who led the charge against slavery. Fox News
It was indeed the Republican party that ended slavery in this country and the Democrats were the ones opposed to it. Republicans were the movers and shakers in the ending of the suffrage of women and in getting civil rights legislation passed. The Democrats were the ones who opposed all those things so at least Reid has his party’s history to look at when making the comparison.
The Democrats still espouse slavery in this country and they work hard to keep minorities, particularly blacks, on their plantation. Democrats do not work for equality and support plans that view minorities and women as second class citizens who need a helping hand because they are unable to make it on their own. The Democrats keep select groups enslaved in order to ensure votes. They are aware that as long as they keep promising to make things better they will keep people in chains, beholden to the Democrats who look down upon them.
The health care plan being pushed along will make every American, except the very wealthy and the political elite, slaves to the government. We will depend on government for one of the most important and personal items in our lives, our medical care. The Democrats know that if they can take over health care they will hold people hostage and will use this advantage to ensure wins in future elections.
Look at how the elderly are held hostage over Medicare and Social Security. The Democrats, at election time, always talk about Social Security and how it will be lost under Republicans. The Democrats use the threat of decreased SS or Medicare benefits as a weapon to keep the elderly in line. Fear of losing these benefits is what the Democrats want.
This will happen if we are all forced to be at the mercy of government. The government can justify anything it wants if it holds the keys to the health care mansion. They will regulate what you eat, how much exercise you get, what your kids do, and will increase taxes all under the threat of health care expense and in the name of the common good. It is a dangerous game and it is up to Republicans to stop it.
Republicans ended slavery in this country at the cost of a lot of lives all because Democrats wanted to keep blacks on a leash as servants.
After bondage ended the Democrats worked to enslave blacks and other minorities with social programs that keep the downtrodden at the bottom of the social ladder and always looking up for a hand.
“Please sir, I want some more.”
Republicans have traditionally believed that people who need a helping hand get one but that it is temporary and that the help one gets should be in helping him to improve his lot in life. We believe that you cannot make the poor wealth by making the wealthy poor and that making people dependent will not miraculously lead them to independence. Democrats don’t actually believe it either, they know that making the wealthy poor makes everyone poor and that the best way to control people is to make them dependent. This is their goal.
Once people are hooked they will always do what their masters say because they are afraid of losing what meager things they get.
One only needs to look at how people in New Orleans were unable to care for themselves after Hurricane Katrina to see the harm of dependence on government.
Republicans must rise up and defeat this health care legislation so that we maintain our independence.
I never want to have to tell my grandchildren that they are servants of the government because I stood silently and allowed it to take away our freedom.
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Amen brother, Amen!
In this last election ultimately the nomination went to a man because I think Hilary was a woman and boy did they tout that he was black (actually only half black) to cover for the fact that they screwed the woman. And lets just say for gee wizzes that the McCain-Palin ticket would have won, it would have been the highest office a woman has ever held in this country and she wasn’t a Democrat. The Democratic party seem to think they have the market cornered on “diversity.” I think that really is mostly at the bottom of all the Palin hatred. I think McCain maybe had that in mind when he selected her but alas he had to be such a milk sop candidate on the real issues.
A majority of Nevadans now disapprove of Democrats’ plans for healthcare reform, according to a Las Vegas Journal-Review poll.
Fifty-three percent of those polled say they do not support reform legislation, with 39% in favor. In October, 49% opposed it and 40% favored it.
We don’t seem to think Democrats have the market cornered on diversity, we know we have it. Let’s take a look at just the 111th Congress for example.
Race:
* 40 African Americans, 0 are Republican
* 5 Asian Americans, 1 Republican
* 1 Native American, 1 Republican
Gender or sexual orientation:
* 92 Women in Congress, 21 are Republican
* 3 Openly gay members, 0 are Republican
Religion:
* 162 Catholics, 47 are Republican
* 44 Jewish members, 1 Republican
* 2 Muslims, 0 are Republican
* 2 Buddhists, 0 are Republican
* 1 Quaker, 0 are Republican
* 1 Atheist, 0 are Republican
All debate as to the causes aside, the numbers don’t lie. The Republican party is overwhelmingly the party of the White Protestant male.
This means little. 95% of blacks are registered Democrat so it is no surprise to see no Republican blacks being elected. The blacks do not vote for blacks who are Republican (ie: Steele) and what black wants to go through the uncle Tom accusations that are leveled at Republican blacks?
The Jews keep supporting the left and the Dems keep screwing the Jews. They deserve what they get though I support them 100% they are their own worst enemies.
If you want to give any validity to your numbers tell us what percentage of the population is registered in each of these categories. If 80% of Asians are registered Democrat then there is no story in that category. There needs to be more for this to mean anything and even then it is unlikely to mean much since elections are popularity contests. Besides, some of these people serve in conservative areas which means the old white protestants (a big leap for you since they could be any Christian religion) are more tolerant. They don’t seem to play the politics of identity.
I find it strange though that Republicans ended slavery, ended women’s suffrage and introduced and got passed the civil rights legislation but the Dems have all these groups suckling at the teat.
Less than a month ago, Michael Steele mentioning that he republicans are afraid of him because he’s black:
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From an interview with Republican National Committee (RNC) chairman Michael Steele:
MARTIN: But your candidates got to talk to them. One of the criticisms I’ve always had is Republicans — white Republicans — have been scared of black folks.
STEELE: You’re absolutely right. I mean I’ve been in the room and they’ve been scared of me. I’m like, “I’m on your side” and so I can imagine going out there and talking to someone like you, you know, [say] “I’ll listen.” And they’re like “Well.”
Link
There are also 27 Hispanics in the 111th, 5 are Republican.
Are all of them LEGAL?
As I stated already it doesn’t matter why the party is more diverse than the GOP, it just is. We could debate why but it’s a moot point when it comes to Victoria’s statement about having the market cornered on diversity. The Democrats clearly do.
I don’t see your point about Protestantism being a leap for me though. I cover Catholics in my list. Aside from maybe the Mormons, what other major types of Christianity are there in the US besides Protestant and Catholic that are represented in Congress?
This is what it is supposed to be about–“quote from CQ Politics-Les Phillip,a Navy veteran and black Republican running in Alabama’s 5th district, said that in a political environment where Democrats control Congress and the White House, he’s found that his message of fiscal and social conservatism are more important than any discussion of race.”
“Right now people are more concerned about what I’m saying than what I look like,” said Phillip, who also faces a primary in a district near the top of GOP target lists.
You keep saying Republicans ended women’s suffrage but I’m not sure what you base that on. Any hints?
Maybe Lutheran, Baptist, Assembly of God, you know, other Christian religions
Those all Protestant denominations so I don’t know what you’re getting at.
Most of the religions that sprouted from the Protestants do not consider themselves as Protestant. They are viewed that way by the public.
some of these groups do not consider themselves as part of the Protestant movement, but are generally viewed as such by the public at large
Wiki
Notice how, without missing a beat, the bigdoggy filter changes “some” into “most.” A *huge* difference.
Nitpick all you like. Protestant is a classification. Most of the GOP in Congress (~70% of 217) belong to a church that is classified as a Protestant Denomination. The GOP is party of the WASP.
This whole post is again Bigd pretending like he doesn’t know that there is a large constituency of rabid, ridiculous, redneck, racist, righteous, retards who used to (years ago) hangout with the Demos and now they have infested and run his very own republican party.
Party affiliation changes but we are still left dealing with this same band of backward buffoons that plague the nation. What other first world nation has such a large cancerous mass of anti-intellect, anti-human, anti-society dirtbags to deal with? I don’t know of any.
Senator Reid made this same point today:
“On health care, Reid likens GOP to civil rights foes”
Excerpt:
“Instead of joining us on the right side of history, all Republicans have come up with is this: ‘Slow down, stop everything. Let’s start over,'” he said. “You think you’ve heard these same excuses before. You’re right. In this country, there were those who dug in their heels and said, ‘Slow down. It’s too early. Let’s wait.'”
He cited some examples of history’s nay-sayers: “Things aren’t bad enough about slavery,” he recalled them saying. “When women wanted to vote, slow down, there will be a better day to do that. . . . Some senators resorted to the same filibuster we hear today.”
…Ronald Walters , a political science professor emeritus at the University of Maryland , said that Reid’s comparison to the days of slavery doesn’t apply, because today’s political parties are very different than they were during the 19th century slavery debates, as well as the civil rights battles of the 1950s and 1960s.
The Democratic Party of the 1800s was considered the party of landowners who owned slaves, while the GOP was viewed as a more radical party, Walters said, because of its opposition to slavery.
“And 21st century Republicans today are like Southern Democrats of the past,” Walters said.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/3372955
Bingo!
Notice Reid carefully (and accurately) said “there were those” who did this, he didn’t say “republicans.”
Reid did not want to lie any more than he already had- It was Republicans who ended slavery- it was Republicans who rammed through Civil Rights- in every category you care to mention, the TRUTH is that it is the Republicans who ACTUALLY help people, while the Demmies just spout mealy- mouthed platitudes every four years, and promise free money for someone’s vote.
That is THE TRUTH, and no atheist lies can change that fact, D.
BLK: It was Republicans who ended slavery->>
DAR
Over the objection of Conservatives.
BLK: it was Republicans who rammed through Civil Rights->>
DAR
Over the objection of Conservatives.
Party affiliations change like a logo and are irrelevant. The anti-intellectual, anti-social, anti-progressive, anti-equality, anti-civil rights, anti-equal rights, anti-gay, anti-woman core of conservatism stays the same. That is after all what conservatives do best isn’t it?
Stay the same. For better or worse.
D.
I’m with DAR on this one. When it comes to the GOP’s good work with slavery it comes down to the phrase “What have you done for me lately?” Big Dog and many other Republicans love to skip over the period of the Southern strategy and pretend they can’t understand why the African-American voting bloc has become such a powerful subsection of the Democratic party base. Big Dog is almost resentful of this, coming close to calling them stupid for not voting Republican.
Sorry, but there is no history of racism or ownership in the Republican party. you guys owned the slaves and fought to kkep them. The Republicans believe in giving a hand up not a hand out, you guys keep taking from one group to give to another in order to keep them enslaved to your party. You are the racists.
Jesse Jackson said he was afraid of black people as well Darrel.
There is no history of racism in the Republican party? We are the racists? That’s rich. Just keep on spinning the lies.
You obviously have not read the history of the Democratic Party.
What part of the history of the Democratic Party makes it correct to say there is no history of racism in the Republican party or that the modern Democratic party is a party of racists? It’s an amazing series of delusions that lead to such conclusions but Republicans are the kings and queens of revisionist history so there’s not one of us here surprised by these lies.
Again, the party affiliations will change, but the racism, ignorance, intolerance and anti-progressive core of CONSERVATISM stays the same. The conservatives own this category lock, stock and barrel. Always have and probably always will. Party affiliations are completely irrelevant to this fact.
D.
One of the candidates mentioned above has weighed in on the subject….
http://www.lesphillip.com/2009/12/senate-majority-leader-reid-needs-a-history-lesson/
OK Adam, then why did you not call Christians and Muslims Jews? We all started in the same place.
What do you mean? Are you talking about the word Protestant or something else?
African Americans have become voters for Dems because they are held captive by policies of diminished expectations. I could give you plenty of examples of the racism that is int he Democratic Party. You all like to act as if there are no racists on your side but they are in all walks of life.
As for the rednecks and others that Darrel likes to mock, a redneck is not a racist and should not be compared to one.
They are hard working people who I am sure have racists among them but you classify a whole group.
I would rather have one of them watching my back than a limp wristed liberal like you.
I don’t deny there are racists in the Democratic party but you’re the one saying there’s no history of racism in the Republican party so I’m not sure if that’s some kind of deflection or not.
I don’t believe that I said there was no racism in the Republican party. I acknowledge that there has been racism in both parties and by people of ALL colors.
I do not believe there is institutional racism in the Republican party. The Democrats had that in the past and the programs they aim at blacks are designed to keep them down, not help them get ahead. It is about getting votes.
You said: “Sorry, but there is no history of racism or ownership in the Republican party.”
You are still ignoring the changes in the two parties around the civil rights era. You had Democrats like Thurmond who filibustered civil rights who then switched to become an important Republican figure opposing desegregation and supporting Nixon’s “Southern Strategy.” George Wallace, a Democrat, leaves the party to continue to pursue public office and segregationist policy. LBJ meanwhile had turned around and supported the Civil Rights Act and racial integration winning the support of Martin Luther King and other black leaders.
You ignore this period of time and the demographic shift to present the GOP as this perfect anti-slavery, anti-racism party that has never changed and never wavered on civil rights and the Democrats as the party that opposed this all the way and are just a party of racists still. You would be correct in your exertions…only if we could just toss out the last century.
Not at all. However, you seem to think that the Democrats were the ones who passed civil rights when it was the Republicans who supported it (in larger numbers) and who actually introduced it. Johnson eventually came around and earned the support of King et al and the Dems got most of the credit when they were the ones obstructing it.
Sure, there were certain strategies by old men who grew up in an America with ingrained attitudes about the races (from both parties) but to say that it is institutional or that it is the Republican party in general is a gross mischaracterization. This is especially true if you ignore the racist policies that the Democrats still espouse.
Bigd: “you seem to think that the Democrats were the ones who passed civil rights when it was the Republicans”>>
DAR
Are you really having this much trouble distinguishing the difference between:
a) party brand name (demo v. repub)
b) political stance (liberal v. conservative)
There is a difference! Ignore the party label. It’s just a temporary brand name. It’s irrelevant to these matters. Can you think outside the “team” for a moment? It’s the political stance that matters with regard to these claims like slavery and civil rights and the undeniable fact that you couldn’t possibly be oblivious to is that conservatives overwhelming fought against civil rights while liberals, progressives, worked for the change.
Good grief.
As I quoted above:
“…Ronald Walters , a political science professor emeritus at the University of Maryland , said… today’s political parties are very different than they were during the 19th century slavery debates, as well as the civil rights battles of the 1950s and 1960s.
The Democratic Party of the 1800s was considered the party of landowners who owned slaves, while the GOP was viewed as a more radical party, Walters said, because of its opposition to slavery.
“And 21st century Republicans today are like Southern Democrats of the past,” Walters said.” Link
They did a flip see…
You also ignore that the Southern Strategy was not solely a Republican thing and that Nixon was not the one who originated it. The Southern Strategy dealt with cultural issues and how votes could be gotten from them. Johnsons was concerned about this after his support for civil rights and others have used issues from race to bussing, to state’s rights to use culture to get votes. Nixon ran on state’s rights and his opponents accused him of using that to veil anti black sentiments. That is a typical false claim of “racism” by the left. People on the left like to view state’s rights as the opposition to civil rights which is not an accurate assessment. @Wallace was the one who linked state’s rights to segregation which was a political strategy to win but was not a correct assessment. Wallace played on the past history of racism and slavery (you know the Democrats’ history here) and turned it against Republicans.
However, the reality is that the people of the south voted in their ECONOMIC interests, not their cultural ones.
The point is, the Southern Strategy was not a one trick pony designed to increase racism and it did not fill the Republican party with the racist rednecks you and Darrel like to imagine. It was a multi faceted plan used by politicians from both parties to play on sympathies or fears of particular populations.
Wiki
Yes, the Democratic party has a history of opposition to emancipation and desegregation. Cultural shifts in the last century turned the tables and many of these elements left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican party. You’re the only one in denial here about those things.
DAR never said all rednecks were racist by the way. But I agree that the South has many “rabid, ridiculous, redneck, racist, righteous, retards.” But of course it’s my home and I love the good and the bad and I’m moving back there next year to bring a little liberalism back to the bible belt.
Yep, Democrats run the school system and teach revised American history, Clinton writes a book that revises history, The left revises the history of 9/11. the left revises the history of their involvement in the housing collapse and the bankruptcy of Fannie and Freddie and it is the Republicans who are the kings and queens of revision.
Even your comment is a revision of history.
But I agree that the South has many “rabid, ridiculous, redneck, racist, righteous, retards.”
And some of them are Democrats.
I am not denying anything. You make a claim that all the racists left the Democrats and joined the Republicans and this is not true.
It is simple. And tell me how the KKK member in Congress is a Democrat.
The only thing that is true is that Democrats have been able to portray Republicans as racists but the NBRA does not agree with the assessment.
There are racists in both parties and of all colors (let’s not forget that important fact) but I am saying there is no institutionalized racism in the Republican party and you have yet to show otherwise.
Bigd: “I agree that the South has many “rabid, ridiculous, redneck, racist, righteous, retards.”
And some of them are Democrats.>>
DAR
A handful no doubt. But the rest are yours.
Bigd: You make a claim that all the racists left the Democrats and joined the Republicans and this is not true.>>
DAR
I didn’t say all, I said “a large constituency.” And that’s true. And this fact refutes the thrust of your entire post, especially the heading.
Bigd: And tell me how the KKK member in Congress is a Democrat.>>
DAR
That’s such a dumb line. As I told Blake in August when he tried it:
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BLK: “Didn’t Sen, Byrd used to be a Grand Wizard in the KKK?”>>
DAR
Actually, he was “Exalted Cyclops.” Can’t say conservatives didn’t have a sense of humor!
As his wiki blurb states:
“A lifelong Democrat, Byrd did not leave the party as its views shifted from social conservatism to social liberalism.”
He also said; “I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times… and I don’t mind apologizing over and over again. I can’t erase what happened.”
Lester Maddox and George Wallace were, in their day, Demo’s. Today they would be, of course, Republicans. Sort of like David Duke.
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Bigd: I am saying there is no institutionalized racism in the Republican party>>
DAR
Okay. Could be. I do think a large percentage, perhaps even a majority of republicans do have their heart in the right place on this and would like to get past the history. I do try to avoid the blanket statements that attribute racism to republicans. I like to give them the benefit of the doubt. Hell, I think we’re all a little bit racist sometimes. But we can’t be changing the history of it’s connection to conservatism.
D.
Yes Darrel, your astute analysis is that racism is one of the cores of conservatism.
You are not only wrong, you are a moron. Now being a moron is part of the liberal “progressive” core.
Bigd: your astute analysis is that racism is one of the cores of conservatism.>>
DAR
Nope, my astute analysis is that racism was ubiquitous within society and when it came time to change this, conservatives tried to CONSERVE the past (as they like to do) and dragged their heels to fight this change while progressives tried to PROGRESS out of that distasteful situation.
Pretty straightforward really.
For a present day example you can observe how we have the exact same thing today with conservatives and gay rights, etc. They even use some of the same idiotic arguments.
And they will lose. Again.
I have a pamphlet I picked up in a church. It’s entitled “Pants and the Christian Woman.” It argues how society will go to hell in a hand basket if women are allowed to wear pants.
That’s… conservatism.
D.
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William F. Buckley in his book “Up from Liberalism:”
“Conservatism is the tacit acknowledgment that all that is finally important in human experience is behind us; that the crucial explorations have been undertaken, and that it is given to man to know what are the great truths that emerged from them. Whatever is to come cannot outweigh the importance to man of what has gone before.”
The business of conservatives is, in other words, to cling tightly to the past, and although such a stance can be admirable, a stale and musty doctrine is of little use at a time when the nation needs not to fear the future but to seek out ways to improve it.”
–George McGovern, The Case for Liberalism
And Darrel, conservatives did not oppose any of that.
Liberals did.
Liberals believe in murdering unborn children, holding blacks hostage by holding them down and in expanded government.
If you want the government to run your life go back to Canada.