The Community Obama Organized
by Big Dog on Sep 4, 2008 at 20:43 Political
Saracuda Palin, the next Vice President of the United States, excoriated Barack Obama for his so called experience as a community organizer. I know that Obama did not like this because he sent me an email WHINING that Palin mocked his time as a community organizer and then he asked me for money. In a TV interview Obama said that Palin’s claimed experience was fair game and that he has been going through this for 19 months and she for 4 days. That is a nice was to dismiss the woman but she has been going through this since she ran for office and it is a bit more than 4 days.
Well, if experience is fair game why is Obama whining about Palin questioning his experience as a community organizer? Let’s face it, Obama’s camp was the one that attacked Palin as lacking experience. This from a candidate whose biggest claim to fame is that he was a community organizer. Why is it fair to attack Palin but then unfair for Palin to point out Barry’s lack of experience? I know Barry is upset that she hit him on his community organizer experience but that is all he has to attack. Let us take a look at the community he organized.
Chicago has one of the toughest gun laws in the country. The unconstitutional laws there (which Obama supports) are supposed to keep people safe. But they do not. This Summer Chicago had 123 murders by firearms. This was double the rate of US military killed in Iraq during the same period of time and we are fighting a war there. Obama was a community organizer there and he wants us to believe that his sainted touch made the place better. The truth is that he and his buddy Rezko raped the people and the place he “organized” is more run down now than it was before he organized it.
This is the experience that Obama claims. He continually blows the organizer trumpet as if he is Gabriel himself. If he put that experience out there as a qualification then it, using his words, is fair game. He failed miserably as an organizer and he has less experience than Sarah Palin. She has served as an executive as a mayor and a governor and she is in charge of the Alaska National Guard. Obama can claim none of this experience.
All one needs to do is look at the community Barry organized to see how little experience he has and how disastrous the outcome was to know he is not the one to lead this country.
Remember, if she was insignificant they would not attack her so viciously. She is a game changer and they know it.
Tags: attacks, experience, Obama, palin, saracuda
Obama and Biden have both stated that they will not attack Gov. Palin’s experience, just her stance on “the issues.”
When Mr. Obama defended his work as a community advisor he was egged by a reporter to compare this to Palin’s experience but did not take the bait. He stated that if she didn’t believe Community Advisors did anything that she should talk to the people of his community.
Also the 19 months/4 days comparison was in reference to the issue of sexism. A campaign aide said that Biden would like to be tough in the VP debates but doesn’t want charges of “sexism.” The aide said that the Obama campaign has fought sexism charges in its campaign for 19 months and that Palin and the McCain campaign have only dealt with sexism charges for four days.
And I have to say, the whole Palin/Obama experience issue is ridiculous. BOTH of them are underqualified for the oval office.
HOWEVER, some of our most experienced politicians were some of the WORST presidents (ie. Warren Harding) and some of our best politicians have been charged with being inexperienced (ie. Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton)
Obama said he would not attack family. He said her claims of experience were fair game. Also, his campaign attacked her experience immediately after she was announced. The backlash made them back off.
After Sarah Palin’s speech in Ohio, Obama stated (and I’m paraphrasing) but that while serving in the Illinois state senate that he had a bigger constituancy that Gov. Palin.
Biden directly stated that he would not attack Palin on her experiece but only on the issues.
And technically, if were only counting years (rather than what people actually did during those years) then the Obama/Biden ticket trumps the McCain/Palin ticket.
Also, if you’re the mayor of 5,000 people and need to add a City Administrator to the payroll, that doesn’t exactly speak to executive experience.
McCain/Palin has an average age 2 years older than the other guys. The moments after her speech the Obama campaign sent a statement that McCain picked a candidate who was mayor of a town of 9000 and if that is experience…
9000 is more than the number of people who voted for Biden when he was in the presidential race.
HOW can that BE?!? 123 murders by firearms?!? Chicago has had a gun ban in place since 1982. No firearms are allowed.
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Chicago’s gun ban, passed in 1982, has done nothing to curb that city’s murder rate even though its police force is well-trained and well-equipped and has a good relationship with neighborhood leaders. Chicago’s murder rate was 5.5 times as high as that of five surrounding counties in 1982, when gun control passed. During the next five years the murder rate soared to 12 times as great as in the neighboring counties.
Gun control is bad for public safety, in large part because criminals ignore gun bans that honest people feel compelled to follow. Bob Levy, a scholar at the Cato Institute in Washington, says lifting the Washington gun ban is a moral issue. “Right now, if someone breaks into a poor person’s home here, their only choice is to call 911 and pray the police arrive in time,” he says. “That’s not good enough, and let’s hope members of Congress grant the right to bear arms to people who can’t afford to live in the safe neighborhoods they go home to at night.”
http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/?id=110005678
“9000 is more than the number of people who voted for Biden when he was in the presidential race.”
Sarah Palin was elected mayor of Wasilla, Alaska in 1999 with a whopping 909 votes. 909 is less than the number of people who voted for Joe Biden when he was in the presidential race. A few weeks after Biden dropped out of the race, he received over 15,000 votes in Florida.
PEACE
So true Bunny Colvin. Actually here in Iowa there’s kind of a debate raging right now because of Biden and the caucus.
There are a few precints in Iowa that refused to accept Biden as a viable candidate even though (becuase of the ridiculous caucus math) he technically WAS viable.
I was a Biden precint captian and before the caucus offically started I, and my fellow Biden supporters, were asked to go sit at a candidates table so they could start the caucus.
A fellow I know who works with the Iowa DNC told me that had Biden delagates been not turned away (as in Des Moines) or properly counted that Biden should have walked away close to Edwards.
“Why Obama’s ‘Community Organizer’ Days Are a Joke”
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/why_obamas_community_organizer.html
(excerpt)
“What deserves ridicule is the notion that Obama’s brief stint as a South Side rabble-rouser for tax-subsidized, partisan nonprofits qualifies as executive experience you can believe in.
What deserves derision is “community organizing” that relies on a community of homeless people and ex-cons to organize for the purpose of registering dead people to vote, shaking down corporations and using the race card as a bludgeon.
As I’ve reported previously, Obama’s community organizing days involved training grievance-mongers from the far-left ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). The ACORN mob is infamous for its bully tactics (which they dub “direct actions”); Obama supporters have recounted his role in organizing an ambush on a government planning meeting about a landfill project opposed by Chicago’s minority lobbies.”
ACORNisROTTEN, Fritz_Katz,
Please stop insulting my community. Fritz_Katz, your comparison to the surrounding counties is stupid. Apples and Oranges. Compare the murder rates in Chicago before and after the gun ban, up till todays date. That statistic is a little more honest. ACORNisROTTEN, how would you like it if a company wanted to build a garbage dump in your backyard and you were given little recourse on the matter?
For the record: I disagree with Chicago’s gun ban, but I think some control measures are a good idea. Just don’t fudge the numbers. That is what I have a problem with.
If you want to look at gun stats go ahead. Try looking in states where it is legal to carry a weapon. Very little murder with guns.
You see, control measures are about control. The government controlling the LAW abiding citizens. Criminals do not obey the law so they will not be controlled.
If Obambi was a great organizer you would not get the dump. In reality, you get this stuff because people PAY OFF your politicians.
Please don’t condescend me Big Dog.
Also, don’t pretend you know anything about Chicago and how things work around here. You clearly don’t.
I happen to like the fact that a person that has been convicted of a violent crime involving a gun will be charged with a felony and jailed for carrying a gun in Chicago. Like it or not, that is a form of gun control. I don’t like the fact that it is illegal for me, a law abiding citizen, to carry a gun in Chicago. Comparing crime statistics from two entirely different demographics is dishonest and a blatant logical fallacy. Fritz_Katz was being dishonest.
Obama did a lot of things you praise in his time as a community organizer. He met with city leaders to change zoning laws to make communities that had just lost factories and the jobs they provided more hospitable for other PRIVATE businesses to move in. The folks with the jobs then didn’t turn to drugs and crime in desperation. Perhaps you would have preferred we lock those people up preemtively, before they started committing crimes, instead of providing them with jobs. But then that would cost taxpayers more money.
Randy, I do not believe I was condescending.
How many people have been sent to prison for life under this “rule”? We can’t get people sent to jail for life for murder. I have no problems with taking away rights from people if they are felons, like gun ownership and VOTING (though voting is not actually a Constitutional right).
It is not gun control it is criminal control. Now, how many shootings occur in Chicago that are done by people with no records who are law abiding? Very few. All these shootings are done by criminals WHO SHOULD NOT HAVE GUNS. They don’t obey the law, that is why we call them criminals.
Put them in jail and LEAVE them and allow law abiding citizens to carry guns and there will be no problems (in Chicago you need to get rid of the crooked politicians). Obama’s work made his friends rich.
You can compare two different demographics, or are you saying that Constitutional rights should be based on demographics? So, we can deny freedom of religion to the people in Reverend Wright’s church because it preaches hatred? Think about what you are saying…
I’m not here to debate gun control with you. I was taking issue with an unfair comparison that was made regarding crime statistics.
Your suggestion that people like me, as a resident of Chicago, have to pay off politicians to get things done is condescending.
Like any other major metropolitan area, we have our problems. But by and large this is a pretty nice place to live.
I am not surprised that you are unaware of the grassroots movements that have unseated several incumbent aldermen in the last election cycle. Most people wouldn’t be.
You don’t like Obama and that’s fine, but by insulting the efforts of community organizers in Chicago you are insulting most Chicagoans.
I have been to Chicago, nice city (in some parts). However, the history of its politics is rife with corruption and pay offs. Whether you like that or not, it is a fact.
Some community organizers do a great job. Ohters use that as a reason to move to elected office (we could not influence votes – Obama)
As honorable as some community organizers might be, being one does not qualify you to be president. Obama made it a big part of his bio so it is fair game. But you know what? I doubt Palin would have mentioned it had Obama not insulted her service as a mayor.
You made a mistake, you have problems like most major metropolitan areas THAT ARE RUN BY DEMOCRATS.
They screw everything up. Daley is corrupt because it was in his DNA.
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