Try The Terrorists In America
by Big Dog on Jan 28, 2010 at 18:57 Political
The Obama Justice Department wants to try some of the terrorists in America and have chosen New York as the site. This was done with Obama’s consent but without the advice of Congress or the people of New York. There are a lot of concerns with this plan especially security, gridlock and the possibility that they will be found not guilty and released here in America. Some members of Congress are balking at the idea and there are calls to move the trial.
I say that it should be moved but it should remain in America.
The people who are in favor of having the trial here tell us that it is important to do it here to show we are a nation of laws and that holding the tirals in New York will put the accused in the vicinity of the Trade Center Towers. A nice idea but it does not display us as a nation based on justice.
I think in order to do this right we need to move the trials to Washington DC. That is the seat of power in this country and it is where our national laws originate. It is where our military leaders are located and the Pentagon, which was also attacked, is not far away. Surely there is a federal court in Washington DC.
This would absolutely demonstrate to the terrorists that they are in a place where the rule of law is important. It will also allow those who imposed the debacle on New York to be affected more intimately, like they wanted for New York.
This is a great idea. There is already a ton of security in DC and access to it is more easily controlled. It is a win, win because Eric Holder gets to reap what he has sown and the people of New York will be spared the circus.
The only rules are that Holder and all his people plus all the people in the Obama administration must continue to work there each day. They must not move their families out of the area and Obama’s kids must still go to school each and every day. In addition, either Obama or Biden must be in town while the trial is in progress.
Let’s propose this alternative and see if they still think it is a great idea.
Those of you who support the idea of having the trials in New York, how do you feel about them being in DC?
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Tags: DC, New York, Obama, terrorists, trials
“The only rules are that Holder and all his people plus all the people in the Obama administration must continue to work there each day. They must not move their families out of the area and Obama’s kids must still go to school each and every day. In addition, either Obama or Biden must be in town while the trial is in progress.”
Why would the administration want to move it’s family? Why would they want to not be in DC for the trial? I don’t really understand this idea that a trial in New York will put New York more at risk than it already is, or DC, or any major US city.
You are right.
You don’t understand.
So you are in favor of it?
I’m in favor of putting these men on trial in any major court in America and if they need to stay inside the United States I’m not stupid enough to think they are any more or less dangerous than any of the other terrorists and mass murderers we lock up in our prison system already.
I don’t understand why conservatives are so damn afraid of these folks and so untrusting of our legal system as to assume it is ineffective in repeating what it has done many times over the years: put dangerous men on trial and give them justice.
No one is afraid of them. A circus trial like this is raw meat to the animals who support their ideology. Nothing would be better for them than to cause some problem when the world is watching.
Not to mention that we cannot afford the cost of security and logistics involved in this. It is a matter of practicality not fear.
“No one is afraid of them. … It is a matter of practicality not fear.”
Just keep telling yourself that. There is no logic behind conservative fears of a trial or incarceration of terrorists in the United States. You just make up reasons for this irrational fear and you seem to mistrust any dealings with terrorism outside the realm of the military.
Adam, I get a kick out of you describing people who are afraid or have fear. You macho man you. If someone screams boo at you then you need to change your pants. That is why you are so afraid of these whacko conservative “militia” groups Napolitano described. Ooh, threatening guys with guns. Don’t worry, the rest of us will still protect the cowards among you.
I mistrust dealing outside the military because acts of terror are acts of WAR on our country and it was our failure to see it that way that allowed us to suffer 9/11. We treated the attacks as law enforcement and the attacks kept coming. Acts of WAR should be dealt with in the military system.
If you are willing to incur the expense of the trials and security as well as the incvonvenience involved then go ahead. I don’t live anywhere where there will be a trail so I don’t really care how it is impacted.
But, if something were to happen then we should hold Obama, Holder and anyone who took the decision accountable and put them on trial for dereliction of duty.
I guess it might not matter now because Obama has asked that the trial be moved from New York.
I wonder what he is afraid of? Must be fear because that is how Adam and Darrel define it.
Don’t worry. I have about as much macho as a turnip green. I’m old enough to know I don’t have to play on the school yard with you and the rest of the conservative prepubescents that need to talk tough and act strong so the rest of the big boys don’t think you have a tiny little penis and pea sized testicles. Maybe someday you and your pals will figure that out and come out into the grown up world.
ADM: “Maybe someday you and your pals will figure that out and come out into the grown up world.”>>
DAR
Bigd would do well to remember there are different realms. There is the school yard where he can be a meat head and physical bully and beat people up. But in a discussion forum, that’s not where we are. We are in an intellectual field of ideas where clear thinking and backing up your claims with evidence wins the day. He can’t do this very well so he regularly gets carved up like the Christmas turkey. It must be terribly frustrating but it’s entirely his own fault.
Don’t like getting roasted? Don’t hold/defend ridiculous, false, untenable positions. It’s really that simple. I figured this out around age 27.
D.
“We are in an intellectual field of ideas where clear thinking and backing up your claims with evidence wins the day.”
What about “common sense”, anecdotes, self-evidence, and repetition of imaginary facts and figures? Does that count?
I don’t know, Adam- does it? You and Darrel peddle in those very things yourself, and claim the “moral high ground”- Really?
You are obviously too young and inexperienced to understand complexities of terrorism, and the cause and effect of trying these scum under laws that are accorded CITIZENS of our country, which they are NOT.
In addition, they would have access to classified secrets, which are SECRET for a reason- duh-
And in public court, they would have a showcase to spew their vile philosophy, and taunt the victims of 9/11.
If you are comfortable with THAT, I say you have no compassion for your fellow citizens, nor ANY understanding of the true problems involved.
As Barry once said, “Just sit down, shut up, and let us clean up the mess.”
BLK: “the cause and effect of trying these sc** under laws that are accorded CITIZENS of our country, which they are NOT.”>>
DAR
Ah Blake, when our country (or any country) tries persons what laws would you recommend they use?
The supreme court ruled. They said we must use our laws. Makes sense really.
D.
“I don’t know, Adam- does it? You and Darrel peddle in those very things yourself, and claim the ‘moral high ground’- Really?”
That’s rich. I can’t remember when I claimed a moral high ground, argued I’m right because it’s common sense of self-evident, or used an anecdote to argue a point. I was talking about you, of course. But you can say that I do those things. That’s part of repeating imaginary facts, something you seem unable to avoid…
“As Barry once said, “Just sit down, shut up, and let us clean up the mess.”
Did he now?
“You are obviously too young and inexperienced to understand complexities of terrorism, and the cause and effect of trying these sc** under laws that are accorded CITIZENS of our country, which they are NOT.”
You are obviously too uninformed to know we have tried non-citizens many times using US courts. We have done it before, we’ll do it again.
People who engage in acts of war against us should not be in civilian courts.
What will it take before you guys understand the difference? The death of your loved ones…
Bigd: “You [Adam] don’t understand.”>>
DAR
I think Bigd’s right. Adam just doesn’t know how to embrace the fear and let it flow through him and rule his judgment. Maybe he’s just genetically unable to be so completely afraid of such things. Only conservatives seem to have the gift of being able to make themselves so terribly afraid of nearly everything.
See Glen Beck, etc.,.
I am not afraid nor do I know anyone who is. It is the conservative who joins the military in the largest numbers.
We can see the potential and the unintended consequences.
So you agree Darrel, we need to have it in DC, good I’ll put you down as a yes.
Who is afraid? Obama has how armed people protecting him all the time. Why does any president need that?
And liberals are full of fear that they will lose their seats or that Roe will be overturned or that Obama will look bad (worse than he already does), or that we might look bad to the rest of the world.
No Darrel, you are wrong. I fear no one or no thing.
Of course it is a bunch of libs in Congress who are rethinking this because if something bad happens (and these kinds of things draw out terrorists who want to make a statement) they know they will get ALL the blame.
If they are not afraid why do they want the trial moved to a military base?
I agree with that so long as it is a tribunal otherwise you civilians protect yourselves and deal with your own messes.
Bigd: “I am not afraid nor do I know anyone who is.”>>
DAR
Have you ever watched Fox or listened to Rush? Give these conservatives a listen and watch for it. It’s a constant parade of fear mongering.
D.
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“What Beck, Dobbs and Limbaugh Are Really Afraid of
Can you smell the fear? Switch on cable news or tune in to talk radio and it comes wafting in.
Fox News Channel’s Glenn Beck has bottled his own scent. Lou Dobbs’ fear gives off a distinct undertone of racial intolerance. And Rush Limbaugh takes to the air to spread an odor that’s designed to make Americans angry at, well, other Americans.
It’s a fear that’s laced with paranoia, stoked by misinformation and prejudice and fed to millions of people via powerful media. But most of all, it’s a fear of the changes that an overwhelming majority of Americans called for when they stepped into voting booths last November.”
Media citizen.
To both of you, I did not make threats or act like a bully. You are the people who discuss fear as if you are the macho brave people. Though if we were in the schoolyard you would be in trouble if you attempted to show that macho side.
I have not been roasted. You guys come here and spew half truths and stuff taken out of context or published by sources that you hold as gospel only to ridicule sources I use.
You also seem to forget that this is my schoolyard in the virtual world. If I did not like you in it you wouldn’t be so don’t act like you get to come here and dictate terms.
And Adam, the grown up world? I was in it while you were still a blob of cells in mommy.
I like the way Adam and Darrel discuss this as if we are afraid. If there is no reason to worry why will they be spending million on security? Why do we need all the security if there is no worry?
Even the liberals in Manhattan do not want this in their neighborhood. Is that from fear as well or from practicality?