Water Boarding Tortures AG Confirmation
by Big Dog on Nov 1, 2007 at 19:13 Military, Political
Many Senate Democrats have indicated they will not vote to send the nomination of Michael Mukasey to the full Senate for a confirmation vote because he refused to answer whether water boarding is a form of torture. The most recent uninformed malcontent to have a say in the matter is none other than Teddy “the Boozer” Kennedy who had this to say:
Kennedy said Mukasey’s unwillingness to give a definitive answer on the torture question [whether water boarding is torture] increased the chances that the technique could be used against U.S. troops.
“I therefore intend to oppose this nomination,” Kennedy said in the full Senate. “Judge Mukasey appears to be a careful, conscientious and intelligent lawyer and he has served our country honorably for many years. But those qualities are not enough for this critical position at this critical time.” Yahoo News
What Kennedy fails to realize is that water boarding is used against US troops and it is used against them by our own people under a program that the Congress provides money for each and every year. Uncle Jimbo at Blackfive wrote a piece about water boarding and how our troops are subjected to it as part of Survival Escape Resistance and Evasions (SERE) training. He poses a very good question when he asks why it is unacceptable to water board our enemy when Congress sanctions water boarding our own people. Additionally, only in Kennedy’s bloodshot view could the qualities of being careful, conscientious, and intelligent with honorable service not be good enough for the position of Attorney General.
I agree with Uncle Jimbo that that water boarding is not torture as it leaves no permanent injuries and the people are none the worse for wear but the issue is not whether water boarding is torture. The question is, if the Democrats believe that water boarding is torture and they will oppose Mukasey because he will not agree with them, then why do they allow it to be done to our troops? They provide the money and they know about the program so the are complicit in the torture of our troops, if they truly believe this to be torture.
Then again, they are Democrats so they probably hold the enemy in a higher regard than our troops. This would explain why they will pay for our troops to get water boarded but cry like Hillary after a bad debate when a terrorist gets the same treatment.
Against all enemies foreign and domestic.
I think we should water board Ted Kennedy until he admits he was driving drunk when he murdered Mary Jo. Hell, we should just water board all the Democrats in Congress for the fun of it.
In the same article, President Bush indicated that if Micheal Mukasey is not confirmed there will be no Attorney General.
Tags: blackfive, boozer, judge mukasey, senate democrats, sere training, torture, uncle jimbo, water board
I truly wish the Democratic leadership of the Judiciary Committee of the United States Senate cared about our safety and security just a fraction as much as they care about whether a few terrorists are made uncomforatble when questioned by our interrogators. What’s the big deal, anyway? These guys beheaded Daniel Pearl and Nick Berg and would do so to every member of the Judiciary Committee if left alone with them for 5 minutes. Why doesn’t any one of these guys being grilled by these stupid, puffed-up, empty suits ask them that question, that way? Who side are they on anyway? Why are they playing their game? They should expose them for ignoramuses they are!
Bush Defends Mukasey On Waterboarding…
President Bush defended attorney general nominee Michael Mukasey’s refusal to say whether he conside…
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OK, they don’t approve of waterboarding. So lets just show them the same courtsey as they show our troops and civilians that they kidnap. Sever their damn heads off. Show them the same conditions they show for their prisoners. Filth, bad food, brain washing, I guess that’s all fair in war. I volunteer the dim’s to go and be the first honoree’s. I don’t think slosho Kennedy will like it, no booze. These jerks are so pathetic.
Let me remind you fine folks that the people we interrogate are not always the same people who cut heads off. It may make you feel better to think the only people we put in stress positions and have undergo waterboarding are evil people, but that’s not been proven to be the case. Apparently to many of you these guys are guilty until proven innocent and thus stress positions, sleep deprivation, and waterboarding are all good to go.
Never mind the fact that “no permanent injuries” is a laugher and that studies by JAMA show that the mental distress and traumatic stress associated with going through many of the treatments common in GITMO and other locations is the same as with actual physical torture.
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Be fair, there are more than a few Republicans in congress who’d also benefit from a session or two of waterboarding, too.
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Adam, what are you, an innocent? Who do you think we’re fighting in this war, civilized folks from democratically governed countries who have fair judicial systems? No, we’re not and those who are fighting are the radicals, the moderates stay home with their heads down and keep out of the way. If we capture someone during gun battles in Iraq or Afghanistan, it’s under fire, during military combat. These guys are not soccer players, they’re killers who are fanatics about Islam and they will cut off you head with a knife starting at the front of your throat. And you’re wrong, every last one of them will do it, in a heartbeat.
Mental stress? Traumatic stress? What are you a kindergarten teacher? Who the heck cares if we put stress on terrorists? Stress? What the hell are you talking about? They have no rights, they forfeited those when they made the decision to go to war against us. They don’t deserve any humane treatment at all. Waterboarding is nothing in comparison to the torture they inflict, beheading being the worst of it. Please, grow up. These are not human beings, they’re subhuman animals, defective killers.
Patsy:
Again, not every detainee held captive in the war on terror is a terrorist. Mistakes have been made. The Command Intelligence Task Force has admitted mistakes have been made.
Look, cut out the righteous indignation. I do not presume to suggest what we should and shouldn’t do with terrorists, but I do ask that people like you wake up and realize that you cannot simply argue for torture of detainees because you assume they are all enemies of the US or our allies. They are not. You are wrong.
I am indignant, righteous or otherwise, Adam. The detainees at Gitmo, with a couple of exceptions, are the savages I have insisted they are. We are at war with them, stop trying to apply First Amendment privileges to the exceptions, they aren’t entitled to them and we don’t have time to wait while the slow wheels of justice work. We had 3,000 innocent fellow Americans killed on 9/11/2001. Those are the violated civil rights I am concerned about, Adam. Not the countrymen whose ideology brought about that awful day.
When they surrender their hate-filled ideology and decide to peacefully coexist with the rest of humanity, then I’ll concern myself with the rights of those being help at Gitmo. Until that day comes to pass, I just don’t give a damn about their rights.
Your problem is you just assume the number is so little as to mean next to nothing compared to the chance that information gathered by harsh interrogation will prevent a real terrorist attack. The truth is we don’t know for sure what percentage of these people are guilty.
It’s an astonishing leap of faith that lets our country head down a very dark path.
If Murat Kurnaz was your father or son or even a close friend maybe we wouldn’t be having this conversation. These ‘exceptions’ are not eggs broken to make an omelet. They are as innocent as those that died on 9/11.