WH Dump Admits Obama Lied
by Big Dog on Sep 12, 2009 at 17:41 Political
The White House dumped several items late Friday in order to limit the scrutiny associated with them. I find several items interesting and will write on a few others later but now I want to focus on the issue of illegal aliens receiving health care coverage under Obamacare. Obama says they will not, Joe Wilson says said that Obama lies and liberals are defending their president by pointing to one section of the bill that says illegals will not receive some sort of credit for health care.
The fact is, hospitals and doctors are not allowed to ask if someone is here legally. Insurance companies cannot ask if people are here legally either so they will be covered regardless of what the bill says. The dump from the White House basically admits that the legislation needs further work and that illegals will have paid health care.
Today, for the first time as far as we know, the administration is backing a provision that would require proof of citizenship before someone could enroll in a plan selected on the exchange.
Here, the administration also concedes that hospitals would be compensated with public funds for the care of undocumented immigrants. MSNBC
Illegals might not be allowed to receive federal credits but there is nothing stopping them from signing up for the government health plan. There are no provisions to check if they are legal, as the White House ADMITS. Therefore, Obama was lying when he said that illegals would not be covered. They will be because no one will know they are illegal.
Additionally, the law requiring emergency rooms to treat people who enter will ensure that illegals are paid for in the most expensive manner. Remember, the hospitals are not allowed to ask if they are legal or not. This whole thing would work if hospitals followed the law which states that each person who enters the ER must be screened by a physician who will determine if the visit is an emergency or not. If it is an emergency then the person must be treated and if not they may be sent away. Most doctors feel that if they have to screen the person they might as well treat them at the same time. Some years ago non emergent visits accounted for 57% of ER visits. If physicians would turn non emergent cases away a lot of money would be saved. Tort reform might actually help with that as well.
So we now know that the bill will permit illegals to be treated at taxpayer expense because there is no way to determine who is not legal. This much the White House admitted. We also know that illegals will continue to use the ER which will be reimbursed by the government which means, once again, illegals will have paid health care. Wilson apologized for his outburst in Congress, one that appeared to hurt him initially in the fund raising department (Wilson has raised over a million dollars since the outburst. His opponent was raising a lot of money soon after but now Wilson is doing well in raising money), but he should not apologize for what he said because what he said is the truth.
The mouth breathers on the left are rabid and have trouble seeing that Obama does in fact lie. Wilson pointed that out and they went bananas. Turns out, as MSNBC and the White House have shown, he was correct.
There is one other part of the MSNBC story that I found interesting. The White House says that illegals will still be able to buy insurance on the non government insurance market:
Undocumented immigrants would be able to buy insurance in the non-exchange private market, just as they do today. That market will shrink as the exchange takes hold, but it will still exist and will be subject to reforms such as the bans on pre-existing conditions and caps.
Notice how the non exchange private market will shrink as Obamacare takes affect? If the plan is to cover those without insurance and let those who like their insurance (about 80%) keep it, then why will the market shrink? It will shrink because if you lose your job or change employers you will be required to get the government plan. It will shrink because the bill is designed to make it better for employers to just stop providing health care insurance and let their employees move to the government plan.
This is the grand plan. Obama is on record as saying he wants a single payer system (which is a government run system) and that he wants to drive private insurance out of business. This is what he stated so there can be no denying it. Many other Democrats are on the record as saying they want single payer and that they want insurance companies out of business.
To those who say that Obama has never lied (and you know who you are) explain how he can be on the record as saying that he wants to put them out of business but then in his speech say that no one wants to put them out of business because friends work there. The admission by the WH that there is no provision to keep illegals from being covered demonstrates that Obama lied but this will escape the Kool-Aid drinkers.
Obama wants this pushed through now because he knows that he will only lose more and more support as time goes on. He is determined to have it his way regardless of what the American public wants. He is determined to involve government in our lives so that he can have more control over us.
Look at how they treat the elderly with regard to Social Security. Vote for me or your benefits will be cut off, or your monthly check will be smaller blah blah. Seniors are held hostage because government controls their monthly check. They paid in but government gets to say if and how much they can have.
If you let government take over health care we will all be in the same boat. How long will it be before we see them telling us that without a tax increase they will need to cut this item or that out of treatment options?
Obama lied and Joe Wilson pointed that out. Now the White House has confirmed it.
ObamaCare, it is to die for.
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Tags: health care, illega aliens, joe wilson, lies, Obama
You know, when you lie enough, it just becomes natural with you and you no longer remember what truth is. Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the liberals are chronic liars. I have this feeling that if they cram the health plan down our throats they are going to heap things upon themselves that they are not going to be able to handle.
Bigd: “Insurance companies cannot ask if people are here legally either so they will be covered regardless of what the bill says.>>
DAR
In Arkansas, Blue Cross Blue Shield will not accept an application for health insurance without a social security number.
You don’t know what you are talking about.
You have no credibility.
Bigd: “[the private market] will shrink because if you lose your job or change employers you will be required to get the government plan.>>
DAR
A bold, and blatant lie. Even the UK, which IS the closest to a government run system (other than the VA and military medicine which is pure socialism), will let you have private insurance and private doctors. That you would make such a claim just shows that you have no credibility on this issue.
Bigd: “Obama is on record as saying he wants a single payer system>>
DAR
He said in his speech it would be too disruptive to the current [inefficient and leech filled] system. He said if we were starting from scratch it would be the way to go (so obviously true). So you are lying. He is not saying at this time “he wants a single payer system.”
Eventually we will not be able to feed this private industry beast. American can’t afford it any longer. This will be really obvious, really soon.
Bigd: (which is a government run system)>>
DAR
Single payer refers to government run INSURANCE. You can have government run insurance and a private medical system (as Canada and Taiwan have). Get informed.
Bigd: “…and that he wants to drive private insurance out of business. This is what he stated so there can be no denying it.>>
DAR
Good, then, you won’t have any trouble at all providing the quote where he said “he wants to drive private insurance out of business.” In fact, he has said the opposite. In June he said his plan will not drive them out of business.
LINK.
So, back up your claim. Let’s see who the liar is. Are you going to do it or are you going to run?
D.
Dar- Is that SS no. valid? Or will it be like it is with employers now where they can just make one up for purposes of the visit? They already do that to get jobs- so they know how to lie with numbers.
The private market WILL shrink- it will be the same way it is now regarding Worker’s Comp. insurance- where it is cheaper for the employer to pay the 8% penalty than to carry the private insurance, simply because the government can undercut any private insurance plan- the govt. doesn’t have to make a profit- so that statement is true, and your rebuttal is the lie.
No, he thinks “sneaking in” the single- payer system will be less disruptive, but that is STILL what he wants- to say anything else is a lie, Dar.
You want me to get informed when you make this claim that BC/BS in AK will not accept an application without an SSN as if #1) Illegals do not use phony and illegally obtained numbers (they use the numbers of other people. This is not checked and it goes through) and #2) a SS number is proof of being here legally. Some folks here legally do not have an SSN, they have a Taxpayer ID. An SSN is not proof of citizenship or legal status.
Bigd: BC/BS in AK will not accept an application without an SSN as if #1) Illegals do not use phony>>
DAR
This is fraud. Arrest and deport them. You are confusing the law, with enforcement of the law. Murder is against the law, but people still do it. We are talking about the law, not the fact that people break laws.
Bigd: [you claim] #2) a SS number is proof of being here legally.>>
DAR
If you have a SS number you have the right to work and thus obviously the right to be here. SSN’s are issued to “U.S. citizens, permanent residents, and temporary (working) residents.”
Bigd: An SSN is not proof of citizenship or legal status.>>
DAR
I know a little about this considering I lived here for 21 years, with a SSN, without citizenship. Obviously having a SSN has nothing to do with being a “citizen.”
If you have a SSN, you have been issued one because you have legal status to work and live in the US.
“…the SSN has become a de facto national identification number…”
D.
Since they cannot ask if these people are here illegally, they must assume the validity of these numbers, ergo they will get into the program.
Darrel- you really need to change the sentence, “If you have a SSN, you have been issued one because you have legal status to work and live in the US.” to …” VALID SSN”… in order to be correct- when a Mexican just picks one out of thin air, that doesn’t make it valid, even if it has the same amount of digits as one that IS valid.
You are amazing. If Obama says it then you accept it. But let us be clear.
He said he wanted a single payer option. Single payer is government run insurance where the government collects the money and acts as the single PAYER. If we have a SINGLE payer there are no other payers and if the government is the payer then there are no other insurance companies to be payers.
Here is Obama in his own words saying that he wants single payer.
“I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan – universal health care plan. That’s what I’d like to see.”
You can see the video here.
Yea, Dar is an Obama lapdog- pity- he could have been an actual thinking human being if only he had not drank that kool aid.
Bigd: [earlier] “…and that he wants to drive private insurance out of business. This is what he stated so there can be no denying it.”>>
DAR
Still waiting.
Bigd: “Here is Obama in his own words…”>>
DAR
Your quote is from 2003.
And you can have a “universal health care plan” without single payer.
And you can also have private insurance plans, in addition to government single payer.
You don’t know your bum from your elbow.
D.
And you do not know how business is run when you have government as a competitor, or perhaps you miss Canada- either way, you won’t have private insurance and government insurance existing alongside each other for long. Pretty soon it is just the government.
If you do not understand that, there is no use in even reading your posts.
You notice how the WH ALWAYS dumps the trash on a weekend?
Last weekend it was Vannie Jones, this week it is this.
Weekend At Barry’s- the new B- Movie.
By definition single payer means one entity pays. Obama wants single payer and he said it would put employer provided health insurance out of business.
Who care when the quote is from, he said it. Are you saying that it makes no difference? Which time is he lying?
Bigd: “By definition single payer means one entity pays.”>>
DAR
It’s a little more complicated than that. For instance, single payer can be used to apply to only certain aspects of coverage, such as basic care, and this can work in conjunction with supplementary private insurance for other categories of care.
Bigd: Obama wants single payer>>
DAR
If we were starting from scratch. Maybe once it collapses we will be starting from scratch. Right now, he does not say he wants single payer. He says it would be too disruptive. And, he’s probably right. Too many crazy people running around making stuff up. It’ll have to get worse, and it will.
Bigd: and he said it would put employer provided health insurance out of business.”>>
DAR
No, he didn’t.
Germany has private insurance (and employer provided insurance).
UK, has private insurance as an option.
Canada has private insurance for non-standard care.
etc.
Bigd: “Who care[s] when the quote is from, he said it. Are you saying that it makes no difference?”
DAR
In 2003 he may have liked chocolate ice cream the best. Now he may like mint chocolate chip the best. By quoting his 2003 comment and implying it is his position today (when it is not), you are being dishonest. Don’t do that.
Single payer was not even on the table this go around. Unfortunately. It will be again because inevitably the US will not be able to afford feeding the greed beast as we currently do. Costs will have to be controlled as they are so successfully in all of our peer countries.
D.
Since Nobuma wants the system to collapse, in fact counting on it, the single payer coverage is what would be his method to inefficiently dole out, all while restricting mediocre coverage and flat out denying care, WHILE he raises taxes on 100% of the populace- the man is a coward, a traitor, and a basta**, since I am not sure his muslim daddy married his momma- genetically he is a mess- worse than Michael Jackson- at least we knew his parents were married, even if they had troubles.
Did you know that people of his relative ethnicity are prone to heart failure?
I hope Biden’s new egotistical hairplugs don’t affect his thinking the way the botox has affected Nanny.
And “Single- payer” means what it says- why or how could you possibly misinterpret that phrase- it is one of the clearest phrases in the English language- it means exactly what it says, no more, no less.
No Darrel, you are wrong. Just because a person provides an SSN it does not mean that it is a legal number. You are basing all of your assumptions on people doing this legally. We have seen too many times where illegals are buying and selling SSNs. So, as I stated, just because a person provides BC/BS an SSN does not mean they are not illegal. Therefore, illegals can get care.
Is it illegal yes and we should deport them but it is illegal to be here in the first place.
Bigd: “Just because a person provides an SSN it does not mean that it is a legal number.>>
DAR
Sometimes people break the law. Example: Obama is against murder. You don’t say: “Oh, well, sometimes people commit murder even though it’s against the law, so why does he bother to be against it?”
That’s what you are doing. Think about it.
Bigd: “…illegals can get care.>>
DAR
It’s true, people break the law. BC/BS checks for legal status by requiring a SSN. What would you have them do?
Bigd: it is illegal to be here in the first place.>>
DAR
Then why didn’t your Bush do something about it? And abortion too?
You guys are so played by your republican party.
D.
Gee, Bush tried to do something about immigration, and Social Security also- but the Original Party Of No- the Democrats, blocked him at every turn, because their wonderful agenda, (especially after they gained the majority), was to deny Bush ANY victory, or any credit on any legislation. I bet you all feel real proud of such a sweeping vision and platform as that.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt, it’s also the Democratic Platform during the Bush years.
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I find it interesting that when someone commits fraud it is OK to arrest and deport them but those same people advocating that action do not agree that being here ILLEGAL is also against the law and these people should be arrested and deported BEFORE they get to commit other crimes.
BO lies so much that if he were Pinnochio his nose would be even bigger than his ears. Regardless of when he said things about single payer plans and allowing infants to die and rationing care or whatever – he said them. He believes them. And he is doing his best to deceive our good citizens (and the idiots that don’t belong here too – let’s be honest) to go down the road he wants to achieve the socialist and communist goals he and his ilk maintain.
I hope more people will wake up before it is too late. And those who want these “fantastic” programs should relocate to places where they are available. It’s really time for the conservative values that this country was founded on to retake what is America.
I am ready to predict that single -payer option will be a dead issue.