Yes, It’ll Be Just Like This
by Blake on Aug 10, 2009 at 08:06 Political
The liberal push towards socialized health care continues on track, with the town halls just a five week time table to voice dissent- and some of the lawmakers are simply cancelling the forums because no one can be heard.
The only thing that makes it through the shouting on both sides is genuine concern for this obamanation of a bill that will eliminate private insurance companies. Oh, not all at once, but how can private companies compete with the government? They cannot- plain and simple. And the government would ration care, in addition to driving good physicians out of business
So here’s a sample of what we are in for if government care comes down the pike.
A MUM suffering chest pains died in front of her young son hours after being sent home from hospital and told to take painkillers.
Family members claim the medic was abrupt and rude – and when Debra clutched her chest, he told her: “Your heart is on the other side.”
Seven hours later, the mum-of-two collapsed and died from a heart attack in front of her 13-year-old boy.
Debra’s furious family insist she could have survived, had medics not been so “dismissive”. They believe she should have been given medicine which could unblock a coronary artery.
Her sister Darlene McConnell said: “We are heartbroken. She tried to get help but no one would help her.”
She was suffering numbness in her toes, swelling around the ankle and leg pains. She contacted NHS 24, who took her details and said they would be in touch.
However, Debra’s condition worsened and she began to suffer severe chest pains by the early hours of Sunday.
dailyrecord.co.uk/news
Yep, a “doctor” or physician’s assistant who probably made a C- on their final exams did the “cost- efficient” thing, gave her a pain pill or two, and sent her home-exactly the same scenario we fear here with our senior citizens, and the same scenario that AARP casually dismisses, because they are in bed with the administration.
She rang NHS 24 again at 2am and requested a doctor. They instead booked an appointment for her at Victoria Hospital, Kirkcaldy, later that day.
Darlene, 44, said: “We now think Debra was actually having a heart attack around the time she telephoned NHS 24. I spoke to her on Sunday morning and she said the pains were so bad, she thought she was going to die.
“She went to the hospital as arranged at 1pm and was back out in minutes. The doctor told her to go home and take Ibuprofen.
“She said he was very rude and, as she clutched her chest, told her ‘Your heart is on the other side’.
“He also told her she had probably ‘racked’ her chest due to coughing. She went to a relative’s house nearby and lay on the settee in complete agony until she had a seizure around 8pm.”
Debra”s son John Paul, 13, was in the room at the time, while his 11-year-old brother, Luke, was upstairs. The older boy saw his mum in extreme distress and called for an ambulance – but she could not be saved.
dailyrecord.co.uk/news
Just wonderful- and this is what Hussein wants for our system? No wonder the politicians are too chickensh** to go on this system. Oh, it’s fine for us “common” people, but not for the elites, who, of course, simply have to maintain a heightened state of “wellness”- it is not that they want to, ( they would be down with us, wallowing in the public trough if only they weren’t so busy saving us from ourselves, so they are doing their public duty, you see)- Right.
Lies, lies, and more lies- that is all they have for us here, and anyone who believes this plan will help us deserves what little they get.
The majority of the people want to know more.
It’s not just a choice between the red pill and the blue pill, Mr. Resident.
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Tags: bad health care, dismissive doctors, end of life, incompetence, rationing
A sample of what we’re in for? How about a sample of what we have already?
Take myself for instance. I went to the doctor around 1999 on a Friday with a severe hernia. They told me to go home and set me up an appointment with a urologist for Monday. By Sunday I had nearly died. I ended up in the ER that morning, rushed to emergency surgery that afternoon.
Also take my late grandmother. She visited the doctor monthly for years with various problems and each time they treated her symptoms. She finally got so sick she collapsed and had to go to the ER where they found a large tumor on her kidney which eventually caused a premature end of her life due to kidney related to complications a few years later.
I understand there are flaws in Canada and the UK health systems (which is why we’re not implementing them policy by policy) but let’s not pretend that the things you cite aren’t going on in the US already.
I never said that stories like you cite haven’t happened here- I just said that our health care would be more like that than it is now, and I believe it to be true.
I have my own “horror” stories that could beat yours, but I also have some stories about fantastic service and care.
The system isn’t broken, it just needs tweaking, not an overhaul.
What Hussein is most concerned about is obtaining government power and retaining it, and I do not agree with that premise.
You never said it because it cheapens your argument. You want to spook folks about how bad healthcare will be once everybody has access to it. Yet, our system is already far from perfect in it’s quality, not to mention lack of accessibility.
Democrats want a complete overhaul of course but they can’t get it. There’s too many differing opinions in their own party and a very strong insurance lobby. Obama’s plan seeks to tweak, not overhaul, and you know it. You may think that guarantees eventual removal of private healthcare but remember that slippery slope is a logical fallacy and logic is a pretty good thing to have when you make an argument like this one.
No, I never said it because it didn’t need to be said- after all, if our system WERE perfect, we wouldn’t be having these conversations.
But when you have people like Ezikiel Emmanuel, and John Holdren as your medical advisors, this “tweaking” you speak of becomes problematic because of the radical views they hold, thus you get Palin’s “Death Panel” comment, which, when you consider these men’s views, is not without possible merit.
At the least, it gives rise to great concern.
Do keep in mind that the government, once in, is never out- just ask England where they have had Healthcare nationalized since WWII, and many of them do not like it, but they can’t get rid of the bureaucracy.
I don’t want to spook folks, but when you delve into the character of the people advising the Resident, they will scare you withtheir views, and you begin to understand why people might be concerned. Google Peter Singer, John Holdren, Cass Sunstein. Just those three are shaping policy that actually scares me, and I do not scare easily, but these three, plus many other of his “Czars” truly do frighten me with their views.
Adam, those things don’t happen as a rule here, and some patients don’t speak up and demand further investigation. Under this new plan, this would be a matter of course. As a retired state employee, the overview of the healthcare plan says that employers must put their employees in the government plan, so you know that governors will do just that thinking they will save money. I have excellent insurance now. Whey would I want to change, and yet, I would be made to do so, so that the government could restrict my
treatment.
I haven’t seen anything saying you would be forced to change your insurance. Where does it say that?
When the government provides an option, most employers will dump their workers on that option and pay the 8% penalty that is part of the government option, so most (up to 113 million) people would end up on the government plan.
This is how the govt. ends up with single payer insurance, and that has never gone well.
Source?
Look at Britian’s healthcare, and how they got that way, and then ask yourself what is to your advantage if you are a small business owner.
SBOs did this in the 80s with workman’s comp because it became more expensive to have their employees on the WC- so they made their employees “contract labor”- it made a machiavellian sense at the time, because of out of control lawsuits, the WC was 33% of your “estimated” gross- I know, because I had to make that decision myself, and I employed just a few people. The thing is, if you cannot make what you had to estimate you might make,the insurance companies didn’t refund your money, so you as an SBO were at the mercy of the market.
might feel better if there was tort reform in this bill, or ANY bill, for that matter. That, in the end, is the crux of the matter.
As far as a source, if employer insurance cost 10%, but you could shed those employees and just pay an 8% “penalty” into the healthcare fund, what would you do?
I don’t run an actual business with employees so I can’t tell you what I’d do. I was just hoping for once you had some kind of research or a report about the effects of having a public option on businesses and private insurance instead of your usual brand of “makes sense to me” argument.
The CBO for instance doesn’t feel that a public option would kill private insurance. I’m not saying the CBO is necessary right or wrong one way or another but just trying to make the point that “what would you do?” isn’t much of an argument…
The CBO also says that the plan will cost a lot of taxpayer money. The government should not be competing with private industry and we should not be forced into anything. We have freedoms that should be protected at all cost. People died to get us freedom and it is up to us to keep it.
Well, while I do not have an actual source to point to in this instance, I do have both Britain’s and Canada’s examples, plus what happened with worker’s compensation here- and the worker’s comp example is probably the most succinct in this case.
When businesses have an out when it comes to shedding cost, they WILL shed the cost in almost every instance, and if it is cheaper to pay the 8% penalty than to keep the private insurance, bye bye private insurance.
Also there is the provision whereby you couldn’t take your insurance with you if you change jobs, and would be forced to take the public “Option”. Not a good choice.
Well, the “what would you do” just requires you to think like a business- if you have an opportunity to improve your bottom line, (especially if the profit margin is thin) than you do what it takes to improve the bottom line. That’s business 101, and all businesses have to make decisions based on the bottom line- that is why businesses are, by and large amoral in their decision- making process. Not good, not bad, just bottom line.
There are ways this system can be improved WITHOUT a govt. takeover- this is all about having power over people, that is the “bottom line” here.